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Sandor Szabados
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Message 91 of 151 (330114)
07-09-2006 3:47 PM
Reply to: Message 90 by John A. Davison
07-09-2006 1:23 PM


Re: General Philosophy vs. Science
You are now getting personal and calling me names, as you have done with others on all the other forums I have visited, including this one.
"55,000,000 years ago the evolutionary march was marked by the 'sudden' appearance of the first of the 'true birds', a small pigeonlike creature which was the ancestor of all bird life. This was the third type of flying creature to appear on earth, and it sprang directly from the reptilian group, not from the contemporary flying dinosaurs nor from the earlier types of toothed land birds. And so this becomes known as the 'age of birds' as well as the declining age of reptiles." (p. 691)
The above was written before Schindewolf.
"The original life plasm of an evolutionary world must contain the full potential for all future developmental variations and for all subsequent evolutionary changes and modifications. The provision for such far-reaching projects of life metamorphosis may require the appearance of many apparently useless forms of animal and vegetable life. Such by-products of planetary evolution, foreseen or unforeseen, appear upon the stage of action only to disappear, but in and through all this long process there runs the thread of the wise and intelligent formulations of the original designers of the planetary life plan and species scheme." (p. 398)
The above was written much before your PEH.
Judge The URANTIA Book, as any book should be, by its content, not the authors. Darwin, Dawkins, and Mayr are well-known scientists but their science leaves a lot to be desired. Bateson, Berg, Broom, Goldschmidt, Grasse, Schindewolf and you are much less known, but the science is correct and that is what matters. Right?
I again challenge you disprove the scientific content of The URANTIA Book and will doggedly continue to do so, no matter what you call me. Though "sticks and stones may break bones, your words will never hurt me" because I have completely lost respect for you as a person, and I couldn't care less if my opinion matters to you or not.
Disprove the scientific content of The URANTIA Book, then reply. The rest is irrelevant bunk.

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John A. Davison 
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Message 92 of 151 (330151)
07-09-2006 8:36 PM
Reply to: Message 91 by Sandor Szabados
07-09-2006 3:47 PM


Re: General Philosophy vs. Science
What part of "you don't exist" don't you understand?

"A past evolution is undeniable, a present evolution undemonstrable."

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Sandor Szabados
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Message 93 of 151 (330161)
07-09-2006 9:55 PM
Reply to: Message 92 by John A. Davison
07-09-2006 8:36 PM


Re: General Philosophy vs. Science
"450,000,000 years ago the transition from vegetable to animal life occurred. This metamorphosis took place in the shallow waters of the sheltered tropic bays and lagoons of the extensive shore lines of the separating continents. And this development, all of which was inherent in the original life patterns, came about gradually. There were many transitional stages between the early primitive vegetable forms of life and the later well-defined animal organisms. Even today the transition slime molds persist, and they can hardly be classified either as plants or as animals.
Although the evolution of vegetable life can be traced into animal life, and though there have been found graduated series of plants and animals which progressively lead up from the most simple to the most complex and advanced organisms, you will not be able to find such connecting links between the great divisions of the animal kingdom nor between the highest of the prehuman animal types and the dawn men of the human races. These so-called "missing links" will forever remain missing, for the simple reason that they never existed.
From era to era radically new species of animal life arise. They do not evolve as the result of the gradual accumulation of small variations; they appear as full-fledged and new orders of life, and they appear 'suddenly.'
The 'sudden' appearance of new species and diversified orders of living organisms is wholly biologic, strictly natural. There is nothing supernatural connected with these mutations.
At the proper degree of saltiness in the oceans animal life evolved, and it was comparatively simple to allow the briny waters to circulate through the animal bodies of marine life. But when the oceans were contracted and the percentage of salt was greatly increased, these same animals evolved the ability to reduce the saltiness of their body fluids just as those organisms which learned to live in fresh water acquired the ability to maintain the proper degree of sodium chloride in their body fluids by ingenious techniques of salt conservation.
Study of the rock-embraced fossils of marine life reveals the early adjustment struggles of these primitive organisms. Plants and animals never cease to make these adjustment experiments. Ever the environment is changing, and always are living organisms striving to accommodate themselves to these never-ending fluctuations."
(p. 669-70)
Stop the immature drivel. Be the excellent scientist you are and disprove the scientific content of The URANTIA Book. I dare you.
"A religion without science has no foundation; a science without religion has no direction."

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John A. Davison 
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Message 94 of 151 (330248)
07-10-2006 7:08 AM
Reply to: Message 93 by Sandor Szabados
07-09-2006 9:55 PM


Re: General Philosophy vs. Science
I refer all to message 86 where I let Thomas Henry Huxley and Albert Einstein speak for me. So much for both sides in this idiotic debate between two "prescribed," congenital, irreversible ideologies neither one of which has anything whatever to do with organic evolution, a phenomenon no longer in progress.
"If you tell the truth, you can be certain, sooner or later, to be found out."
Oscar Wilde

"A past evolution is undeniable, a present evolution undemonstrable."

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John A. Davison 
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Message 95 of 151 (330249)
07-10-2006 7:14 AM
Reply to: Message 94 by John A. Davison
07-10-2006 7:08 AM


Re: General Philosophy vs. Science
By the way, in order to fully appreciate the depths to which some must descend, I suggest all visit my blog to witness the machinations of David Springer and jujuquisp. Pile on if it gives you pleasure. Any publicity is good publicity when dealing with degenerate minds.
newprescribedevolution.blogspot.com/
As I often say -
I love it so!

"A past evolution is undeniable, a present evolution undemonstrable."

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Sandor Szabados
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Message 96 of 151 (330308)
07-10-2006 10:22 AM
Reply to: Message 94 by John A. Davison
07-10-2006 7:08 AM


Re: General Philosophy vs. Science
"We reckon the history of Urantia as beginning about one billion years ago and extending through five major eras:
1. The prelife era extends over the initial four hundred and fifty million years, from about the time the planet attained its present size to the time of life establishment. Your students have designated this period as the 'Archeozoic.'
2. The life-dawn era extends over the next one hundred and fifty million years. This epoch intervenes between the preceding prelife or cataclysmic age and the following period of more highly developed marine life. This era is known to your researchers as the 'Proterozoic.'
3. The marine-life era covers the next two hundred and fifty million years and is best known to you as the 'Paleozoic.'
4. The early land-life era extends over the next one hundred million years and is known as the 'Mesozoic.'
5. The mammalian era occupies the last fifty million years. This recent-times era is known as the 'Cenozoic.'
The marine-life era thus covers about one quarter of your planetary history. It may be subdivided into six long periods, each characterized by certain well-defined developments in both the geologic realms and the biologic domains.
As this era begins, the sea bottoms, the extensive continental shelves, and the numerous shallow near-shore basins are covered with prolific vegetation. The more simple and primitive forms of animal life have already developed from preceding vegetable organisms, and the early animal organisms have gradually made their way along the extensive coast lines of the various land masses until the many inland seas are teeming with primitive marine life. Since so few of these early organisms had shells, not many have been preserved as fossils. Nevertheless the stage is set for the opening chapters of that great "stone book" of the life-record preservation which was so methodically laid down during the succeeding ages." (p. 672)
"400,000,000 years ago marine life, both vegetable and animal, is fairly well distributed over the whole world. The world climate grows slightly warmer and becomes more equable. There is a general inundation of the seashores of the various continents, particularly of North and South America. New oceans appear, and the older bodies of water are greatly enlarged.
Vegetation now for the first time crawls out upon the land and soon makes considerable progress in adaptation to a nonmarine habitat.
'Suddenly' and without gradation ancestry the first multicellular animals make their appearance. The trilobites have evolved, and for ages they dominate the seas. From the standpoint of marine life this is the trilobite age." (p. 673)
Would Einstein or Huxley be able to disprove this? Can you?
"Religion without science has no foundation; science without religion has no direction."

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John A. Davison 
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Message 97 of 151 (330317)
07-10-2006 10:46 AM
Reply to: Message 96 by Sandor Szabados
07-10-2006 10:22 AM


Re: General Philosophy vs. Science
Why do you contiue to question me when I have decided that you no longer exist? After all that is exactly what the Darwimps and the Fundies like yourself have done with me and all my references. Two can play that game. You are a Urantia-thumping fanatic and I have no truck with fanatics of any stripe.
"A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject."
Winston Churchill
You are the perfect example. Prove it by carrying on!
Naturally -
I love it so!

"A past evolution is undeniable, a present evolution undemonstrable."

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Sandor Szabados
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Message 98 of 151 (330353)
07-10-2006 12:14 PM
Reply to: Message 97 by John A. Davison
07-10-2006 10:46 AM


Re: General Philosophy vs. Science
You got it. I am a fanatic of truth; you, of philosophical drivel.
"The marine life was much alike the world over and consisted of the seaweeds, one-celled organisms, simple sponges, trilobites, and other crustaceans--shrimps, crabs, and lobsters. Three thousand varieties of brachiopods appeared at the close of this period, only two hundred of which have survived. These animals represent a variety of early life which has come down to the present time practically unchanged.
But the trilobites were the dominant living creatures. They were sexed animals and existed in many forms; being poor swimmers, they sluggishly floated in the water or crawled along the sea bottoms, curling up in self-protection when attacked by their later appearing enemies. They grew in length from two inches to one foot and developed into four distinct groups: carnivorous, herbivorous, omnivorous, and "mud eaters." The ability of the latter group largely to subsist on inorganic matter--being the last multicelled animal that could--explains their great increase and long survival.
This was the biogeologic picture of Urantia at the end of that long period of the world's history, embracing fifty million years, designated by your geologists as the 'Cambrian'."(p. 674)
From the Phantom, the man who does not exist: your worst nightmare.
"Religion without science has no foundation, science without religion has no direction."

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John A. Davison 
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Message 99 of 151 (330362)
07-10-2006 12:35 PM
Reply to: Message 98 by Sandor Szabados
07-10-2006 12:14 PM


Re: General Philosophy vs. Science
The man is the quintessential fanatic, exactly as defined by Winston Churchill, utterly incompetent to change either his mind or the subject.
It is hard to believe isn't it?
Needless to say -
I love it so!

"A past evolution is undeniable, a present evolution undemonstrable."

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Sandor Szabados
Inactive Member


Message 100 of 151 (330421)
07-10-2006 2:04 PM
Reply to: Message 99 by John A. Davison
07-10-2006 12:35 PM


Re: General Philosophy vs. Science
And you are a broken record, your brain stuck in neutral, repeating the same quotes on this and other forums over and over and over, ad nauseam, your immature behavior a disgrace to your academic achievements.
Here is more to get your brain, and those of other readers, thinking which is the main reason I am doing this, BTW, because I know that you will never change your mind:
"310,000,000 years ago the land masses of the world were again well up excepting the southern parts of North America. Mexico emerged, thus creating the Gulf Sea, which has ever since maintained its identity.
The life of this period continues to evolve. The world is once again quiet and relatively peaceful; the climate remains mild and equable; the land plants are migrating farther and farther from the seashores. The life patterns are well developed, although few plant fossils of these times are to be found.
This was the great age of individual animal organismal evolution, though many of the basic changes, such as the transition from plant to animal, had previously occurred. The marine fauna developed to the point where every type of life below the vertebrate scale was represented in the fossils of those rocks which were laid down during these times. But all of these animals were marine organisms. No land animals had yet appeared except a few types of worms
which burrowed along the seashores, nor had the land plants yet overspread the continents; there was still too much carbon dioxide in the air to permit of the existence of air breathers. Primarily, all animals except certain of the more primitive ones are directly or indirectly dependent on plant life for their existence."
(p. 675-76)
Ten pages down, 2,087 to go from the Urantian Phantom, the man who does not exist: your worst nightmare.
"Religion without science has no foundation; science without religion has no direction."
Edited by Sandor Szabados, : Correct spelling error: Panthom to Phantom

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John A. Davison 
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Message 101 of 151 (330567)
07-10-2006 6:04 PM
Reply to: Message 100 by Sandor Szabados
07-10-2006 2:04 PM


Re: General Philosophy vs. Science
It is hard to believe isn't it?

"A past evolution is undeniable, a present evolution undemonstrable."

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Sandor Szabados
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Message 102 of 151 (330583)
07-10-2006 6:38 PM
Reply to: Message 101 by John A. Davison
07-10-2006 6:04 PM


Re: General Philosophy vs. Science
You are hard to believe, but obviously you exist.
"The trilobites were still prominent. These little animals existed in tens of thousands of patterns and were the predecessors of modern crustaceans. Some of the trilobites had from twenty-five to four thousand tiny eyelets; others had aborted eyes. As this period closed, the trilobites shared domination of the seas with several other forms of invertebrate life. But they utterly perished during the beginning of the next period.
Lime-secreting algae were widespread. There existed thousands of species of the early ancestors of the corals. Sea worms were abundant, and there were many varieties of jellyfish which have since become extinct. Corals and the later types of sponges evolved. The cephalopods were well developed, and they have survived as the modern pearly nautilus, octopus, cuttlefish, and squid.
There were many varieties of shell animals, but their shells were not then so much needed for defensive purposes as in subsequent ages. The gastropods were present in the waters of the ancient seas, and they included single-shelled drills, periwinkles, and snails. The bivalve gastropods have come on down through the intervening millions of years much as they then existed and embrace the muscles, clams, oysters, and scallops. The valve-shelled organisms also evolved, and these brachiopods lived in those ancient waters much as they exist today; they even had hinged, notched, and other sorts of protective arrangements of their valves.
So ends the evolutionary story of the second great period of marine life, which is known to your geologists as the 'Ordovician'." (p.676)
"Religion without science has no foundation; science without religion has no direction."
The Urantian Phantom
P.S. Thank you for the PEH. One more scientific discovery that validates The URANTIA Book, the Fifth Epochal Revelation to mankind.
Edited by Sandor Szabados, : Correct spelling - Rveletion to Revelation

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John A. Davison 
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Message 103 of 151 (330586)
07-10-2006 6:46 PM
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07-10-2006 6:38 PM


Re: General Philosophy vs. Science
Continue please as I am fascinated.

"A past evolution is undeniable, a present evolution undemonstrable."

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Sandor Szabados
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Message 104 of 151 (330602)
07-10-2006 7:44 PM
Reply to: Message 103 by John A. Davison
07-10-2006 6:46 PM


Re: General Philosophy vs. Science
Your wish is my command.
"THE SECOND GREAT FLOOD STAGE: THE CORAL PERIOD--THE BRACHIOPOD AGE
"300,000,000 years ago another great period of land submergence began. The southward and northward encroachment of the ancient Silurian seas made ready to engulf most of Europe and North America. The land was not elevated far above the sea so that not much deposition occurred about the shore lines. The seas teemed with lime-shelled life, and the falling of these shells to the sea bottom gradually built up very thick layers of limestone. This is the first widespread limestone deposit, and it covers practically all of Europe and North America but only appears at the earth's surface in a few places. The thickness of this ancient rock layer averages about one thousand feet, but many of these deposits have since been greatly deformed by tilting, upheavals, and faulting, and many have been changed to quartz, shale, and marble.
No fire rocks or lava are found in the stone layers of this period except those of the great volcanoes of southern Europe and eastern Maine and the lava flows of Quebec. Volcanic action was largely past. This was the height of great water deposition; there was little or no mountain building.
290,000,000 years ago the sea had largely withdrawn from the continents, and the bottoms of the surrounding oceans were sinking. The land masses were little changed until they were again submerged. The early mountain movements of all the continents were beginning, and the greatest of these crustal upheavals were the Himalayas of Asia and the great Caledonian Mountains, extending from Ireland through Scotland and on to Spitzbergen.
It is in the deposits of this age that much of the gas, oil, zinc, and lead are found, the gas and oil being derived from the enormous collections of vegetable and animal matter carried down at the time of the previous land submergence, while the mineral deposits represent the sedimentation of sluggish bodies of water. Many of the rock salt deposits belong to this period.
The trilobites rapidly declined, and the center of the stage was occupied by the larger mollusks, or cephalopods. These animals grew to be fifteen feet long and one foot in diameter and became masters of the seas. This species of animal appeared 'suddenly' and assumed dominance of sea life." (p. 677-78}
"Religion without science has no foundation; science without religion has no direction."

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John A. Davison 
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Message 105 of 151 (330611)
07-10-2006 8:10 PM
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07-10-2006 7:44 PM


Re: General Philosophy vs. Science
It is hard to believe isn't it?

"A past evolution is undeniable, a present evolution undemonstrable."

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