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V-Bird
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Message 91 of 125 (94506)
03-24-2004 4:06 PM
Reply to: Message 89 by Primordial Egg
03-24-2004 4:02 PM


Yes.
But only by indolence.
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crashfrog
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Message 92 of 125 (94512)
03-24-2004 4:24 PM
Reply to: Message 85 by V-Bird
03-24-2004 3:42 PM


Look anywhere [the net or books] and there isn't any mass or formula for time
Here's Einstein's:
There's this theory called "relativity" you should look up.

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V-Bird
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Message 93 of 125 (94513)
03-24-2004 4:29 PM
Reply to: Message 92 by crashfrog
03-24-2004 4:24 PM


That is not a formula for the construction of time merely the effect we see... it is using time in exactly the way I have said as a frame to hang the viewed effect...
You fail, but keep trying...

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V-Bird
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Message 94 of 125 (94515)
03-24-2004 4:41 PM


I'll try another way for you to see this...
We all know that 'time' slows as things speed up, I think you agree with this, yes? The 2 clocks and jet aeroplane experiment is repeated endleesly.
Now I am gonna ask you a question that I asked myself the first time I heard of this experiment...
If time existed as some form of energy then why didn't the time 'catch up' as the 'plane slowed and came to a stop?
If time 'existed' then surely the great 'weight' of it would force the time back to correspond with the rest of the World.
You can only alter the marking of time because it is purely a measurement tool.
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Beercules
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Message 95 of 125 (94517)
03-24-2004 4:45 PM
Reply to: Message 77 by V-Bird
03-24-2004 1:18 PM


quote:
Yep, this is true, but the plain fact that the models work, the absolute vacuum model explains too much to not be right.
You'll have to clarify. What pheomena can the "absolute vacuum" explain even in the slightest? If the "void" is not part of the observable universe, then I don't see how it can offer an explanation to any physical processes that take place within it.
quote:
There is a problem tho, you can never see it, because until the edge expands to occupy more of the void, and as things become observable the void remains beyond our physical perception.
Modern cosmology suggests a finite universe has no edge. A universe where space is curved to the extent that there are no boundaries (and no center) simply cannot be embedded in a flat 3D vacuum. The only way to save the concept is to propose that our universe is embeded in a 4 dimensional (spatial) void. That ad hocery, along with a lack of explanatory power makes me wonder why anyone would find such an unscientific idea appealing. My guess is, it's just a matter of intuition and not any actual rational thought.

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V-Bird
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Message 96 of 125 (94518)
03-24-2004 5:03 PM
Reply to: Message 95 by Beercules
03-24-2004 4:45 PM


It is expanding without decay, nothing else we have experience of does this, the 'bang' has need of some 'power' to keep doing what it is doing, the power is the endless void, but only because it is the perfect nothing, there is no way to measure the extent of nothing, it is the one true infinity.
The void has no dimensions. No dimensions can be imposed on it as it simply does not exist only as we expand into and occupy it does it take shape and form.

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V-Bird
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Message 97 of 125 (94519)
03-24-2004 5:05 PM


The 'we' in the last sentence means the Universe.
[for clarity]

  
Beercules
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Message 98 of 125 (94520)
03-24-2004 5:11 PM
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03-24-2004 5:03 PM


quote:
It is expanding without decay, nothing else we have experience of does this, the 'bang' has need of some 'power' to keep doing what it is doing
The energy provided at the big bang is enough for the expansion of space to continue forever, gravity pending. In the same way that an object hurling through space will never stop unless acted on by a force, space does not need to be constantly pushed.
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the power is the endless void, but only because it is the perfect nothing, there is no way to measure the extent of nothing, it is the one true infinity.
What is this supposed to mean? Why would a "void" provide power? Have you put any thought into this??
quote:
The void has no dimensions
Ok, so the void has zero volume which means it has no size. IOW, there cannot be an infinite void, because you've just said it has zero volume.
quote:
No dimensions can be imposed on it as it simply does not exist only as we expand into and occupy it does it take shape and form.
IOW, the void does not exist at all.

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Percy
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Message 99 of 125 (94525)
03-24-2004 5:22 PM
Reply to: Message 98 by Beercules
03-24-2004 5:11 PM


More On V-Bird
Hi, Beercules!
If you've already seen these posts are are just exploring in a bit more depth whether V-Bird is serious, please continue by all means. But in case you haven't seen these:
I could be wrong, but so far he seems like he's just out to have some fun, a mild sort of troll.
--Percy

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V-Bird
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Message 100 of 125 (94531)
03-24-2004 5:43 PM


Percy, still having trouble finding either a mass or energy value for time?
Everything that exists has energy or mass, without them they do not exist... find me the mass or energy of time, find me one single reference anywhere in the World that gives it either, please.
The phrase 'I may be wrong' is something you may just have to repeat.

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crashfrog
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Message 101 of 125 (94532)
03-24-2004 5:44 PM
Reply to: Message 100 by V-Bird
03-24-2004 5:43 PM


Everything that exists has energy or mass
By what reasoning do you come to this conclusion?

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V-Bird
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Message 102 of 125 (94534)
03-24-2004 5:46 PM
Reply to: Message 101 by crashfrog
03-24-2004 5:44 PM


Because that is what the universe is made of!

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V-Bird
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Message 103 of 125 (94535)
03-24-2004 5:47 PM
Reply to: Message 101 by crashfrog
03-24-2004 5:44 PM


Show me something made or formed of time.

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V-Bird
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Message 104 of 125 (94541)
03-24-2004 6:01 PM


Anything will do! hahaha...
Time is as real as God!
To be a 'believer' of Evolutionist theories and believe time exists is plainly and simply an oxymoron...
Time is a construct of the mind as much as Creationism and God[s].
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joshua221 
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Message 105 of 125 (94544)
03-24-2004 6:06 PM
Reply to: Message 104 by V-Bird
03-24-2004 6:01 PM


quote:
Time is as real as God!
Considering your take on "time", I'll be turning my cheek right about now...
[quote]Time is a construct of the mind as much as Creationism and God[s].[/quote]
Oh. So many people have very vivid imaginations?
Is that it?
For an impact on the world as great as this, I don't think people would just have to retain enhanced imaginations... Do you?
[This message has been edited by prophex, 03-24-2004]

The earth is flat.

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