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lyx2no
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Message 248 of 410 (458502)
02-29-2008 11:20 AM
Reply to: Message 244 by tesla
02-29-2008 8:18 AM


Re: Truth and consequences
Tesla
Please, you do the math and show it to us because the results of your math are not at all transparent.
I have done the math and find that between T=10E-43 and T=dt that the Universe comprised of infinitely long telephone lines packed cheek to jowl with sparrows whistling the theme to Gilligan’s Island.
You do the math to see if I’m not correct.
Edited by lyx2no, : Grammer
Edited by lyx2no, : I'm anal.
Edited by lyx2no, : Missed the - sign.

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Message 252 of 410 (458584)
02-29-2008 11:58 PM
Reply to: Message 250 by tesla
02-29-2008 9:52 PM


Re: Truth and consequences
Oh yea of little faith, I can believe some remarkably counterintuitive ideas given adequate evidence, but I certainly can’t believe them if I don’t get to see them. I would need more than just the variables; I would also need the equations to plug them in to. So as you’ve promised to give me the variables I’m sure you’d not want to leave me short. To show my faith in you I’m holding my breath.

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Message 373 of 410 (459785)
03-09-2008 8:17 PM
Reply to: Message 372 by tesla
03-09-2008 7:58 PM


Re: I conclude with thanks
tesla
Allow me to offer an inverted model from the one that has been discussed to date.
For the sake of argument let us say that space is infinite and has always been so. (remember, this is a model: no more.) Within this model all matter equivalents in the Universe have been very slowly shrinking at a rate of 7.2”10E-9%/year. Being made of matter our rulers also experience this shrinkage, so all matter and energy that we measure seems to be always the same. But space, which does not share in the shrinkage appears to be expanding. How would this appear to observers spread throughout the Universe?
Regardless of ones position the Universe appears to be expanding in exactly the same way. When the Universe is viewed from my planet, Mr. Puffy ” don’t sneer, you would not want to know what the E-word means in our language ” a galaxy cluster one gigaparsec distant will seem to be receding at a rate of 2.2 trillion miles every year. And from that galaxy the residents following along my line of sight would see a galaxy a gigaparsec distant moving away from them at 2.2 trillion kilometers per year. And following them another, and following them another, and following them another, and following them another... Note that what I see is those same galaxies moving away at 2.2, 4.4, 6.6, 8.8, 10.1 trillion km/year respectively. Now here a problem lies. The speed of light is only 9.5 trillion km/year. Any galaxy farther away from me than 4.3 gigaparsecs will be moving away from me faster than the speed of light. This would be my horizon at 14 billion light-years away. I’d not be able to communicate with the fifth galaxy nor they with me.
That some massive object named galaxy five is moving away at 106% the speed of light is a problem. That is, it’s a problem until one rememberers that in this model the matter in the Universe isn’t moving at all. It is an illusion caused by our shrinking rulers. Because no matter is moving there is no acceleration, no inertia to induce or overcome. Nothing has moved: Only our very slowly shrinking rulers.
On the local scale this shrinkage amounts to very little. The space between the planet E-word and Sol appears to expand at the rate of 11 meters per year. This is well below the escape velocity of 1.3 trillion m/year at one AU. Gravity has no problem keeping pace in a crowd, but eventually, as gravity weakens by the square of the distance and the apparent expansion remains constant, the Universe is relentlessly torn to shreds.
In the far future our mutual planets well see each the other at the horizon and communications will fail for reasons far far different than the current cross purposes.

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lyx2no
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Message 383 of 410 (459811)
03-09-2008 11:30 PM
Reply to: Message 374 by tesla
03-09-2008 8:47 PM


Re: I conclude with thanks
You don’t get it because you’re trying so very hard not to get it.
Your objections are strange. Just really, really strange.
“I could understand how increased mass could condense.” Is a meaningless sentence.
“It would react with it’s energy conditions into matter of a denser form.” is not only meaningless, but requires you to invent a physics (not to mention an English) for a learning aid.
You keep saying the maths this and the maths that , but exhibit no apparent understanding of even the simplest concepts. You keep saying new variables are being ignored without mentioning a single new idea to consider.
Another analogy: We attempt to understand the workings of an automobile. Some are discussing shock resonance inside the combustion chambers. Others examine drive line forces. I sit around giggling because it’s Yugo and someone has turbo charged it. You have a broken Pez dispenser from the glove compartment, a small tear in the vinyl upholstery, and a service spare. With your sundry evidences you claim everyone else is talking bollix, because the properties of the service spare when considered with the new variable of the nonfunctional Pez thrust mechanism, would require a general discontinuity of point conditional theories.
A meaningless statement does not gain from the quantity of detail.
To me its possible...
Stuff in the Universe is not a result of its being possible to us.
I do not have all the answers. But who does?
No one has claimed for themselves to have all the answers, and surely no one has accused you of it. But:
Those claiming i am an utter fool have accepted tentative theory with no doubts of any part of it being wrong?
Could you name a single person who has hinted at a denial of any theory of science not being tentative? Cogito ergo sum; all else is tentative, but we all understand this so it’s a bit of a rhythm breaker to have to say so after every assertion. Especially when those assertions are backed up with more evidence than any of use would ever be able to examine individually.
It is not we who are failing to grasp the thread.

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Message 395 of 410 (459899)
03-10-2008 5:00 PM


When All Else is Said and Done.
When we see a mangled automobile laying up next to a telephone pole we assume that it was not designed that way in Michigan. Crash investigators would theoretically be able to break down the train of events that led up to the given observation second by second if need be. Some errors might be made, but set a thousand competing teams of crash investigators out there and those errors will be corrected. [sarcasm]But truth be told, some guy who, seeing a halftone photo in his local paper, would have a better explanation because his sister owns a car just like it.[/sarcasm]
Edited by lyx2no, : To increase the smarmy quotient.

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Message 406 of 410 (460075)
03-12-2008 2:54 PM
Reply to: Message 404 by ICANT
03-12-2008 2:16 PM


Re: Re-Summation
Matthew 10:14?
With a sincere heart and true faith, I abjure, curse,
and hate the above mentioned error...
And deserve whatever I get.
Edited by lyx2no, : Retraction
Edited by lyx2no, : Grammar.

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