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stevo3890 Inactive Member |
the only restraint there seems to be is that there is no restriant. Q M places no limits on the Multiverse as well, as everything in that theory is random.
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stevo3890 Inactive Member |
im no scientist but the book i have read on it (brian Greene's the elegant universe refers to them.
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zephyr Member (Idle past 4906 days) Posts: 821 From: FOB Taji, Iraq Joined: |
Sorry, shameless generalization... humor intended.
I'm just tired of hearing creationists claiming that every missing link, every unexplained biological fact, is the fatal blow to the theory of evolution. It's nice to hear from someone who understands that scientific knowledge can be useful before we know every last detail.
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stevo3890 Inactive Member |
I believe in God but i am no idiot. as for the people who are idiots and believe in God there are just morons if they do that.
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zephyr Member (Idle past 4906 days) Posts: 821 From: FOB Taji, Iraq Joined: |
quote:I had noticed. Nice to have you here. quote:Lotsa laughs from that one, man! OK... not to get too off topic... I know basically nothing of string theory so I'm gone.
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1823 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
the only restraint there seems to be is that there is no restriant. Q M places no limits on the Multiverse as well, as everything in that theory is random. My point is, with a sample space of only one universe - ours - we have no idea at all what the restrictions could be. String theory could be in error - or there could be additional laws that prohibit certain types of universes, outside of string theory.
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stevo3890 Inactive Member |
crashfrog,
in your opinion what came first the Universe or the laws which govern them
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Geno Inactive Member |
My point is, with a sample space of only one universe - ours - we have no idea at all what the restrictions could be. String theory could be in error - or there could be additional laws that prohibit certain types of universes, outside of string theory. Why are you placing the restriction of one universe? My understanding is that String theory has nothing to do with multiverses, but only seeks to describe the conditions of this universe. The Eternal Inflation Model posits a never ending cascade of universes--why pick one? wr/Geno
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1823 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
in your opinion what came first the Universe or the laws which govern them Do you mean, the laws that govern the behavior of entities in our universe, or the laws that govern the behavior of universes themselves? Because I think those are two different things.
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1823 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
The Eternal Inflation Model posits a never ending cascade of universes--why pick one? Because all your other universes are simply inferred. This universe is the only one for which we have any data.
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PaulK Member Posts: 18082 Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
I would say that it is a mistake to reify natural laws or to assume that they truly govern anything.
Natural laws are descriptive, not prescriptive. They describe the behaviour of natural entities and can only be said to exist in any sense so long as the entities they describe exist.
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Geno Inactive Member |
Because all your other universes are simply inferred. This universe is the only one for which we have any data. You have an issue with the Inflationary Model (and it's implications) but not String theory, with 10 dimensions--knowing that we only have data on 4 of those dimensions?
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1823 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
but not String theory, with 10 dimensions--knowing that we only have data on 4 of those dimensions? I'm not sure I believe in that, either. No matter how well 10 dimensions might balance the equations, I'll believe them when there's experimental evidence. That's the final arbiter, to me.
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NosyNed Member Posts: 9013 From: Canada Joined: |
I think we are all being streached by this. I'd be pleased if someone who actually understood this stuff dropped in
but ignorance doesn't seem to stop most of us so I'll post as if I know what I was talking about. One hope from string theory is that it may not need to "set" initial conditions. The nature of physical law and the universe may come out as natural consequences of the math. My comment that it isn't there yet is because it hasn't reached that point. If it did it may show that there can only be a universe like this one. (may not too ). That might put an end to the anthropic principle arguments. The reason for picking 10 or 11 dimenstions is that the math works out naturally in some way, it produces consisent results that behave like our universe. Please, please don't ask me to post any other the math. LOL I only had 4 years of honors math/physics -- there is no hope for me to understand this level of the stuff.
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NosyNed Member Posts: 9013 From: Canada Joined: |
![]() It is unfortunate that the unbelievers here get exposed to an unrepresentative sample of the believers. We get to expect the worst. If you read over some of the posts you'll see why. I, for one, take the position that it is idiotic to suggest that evolutionary theory isn't, in an overall way, correct. It is way beyond being something that be overthrown completely. This position gives one a bad attitude to start with. It is unfair to take it with any individual when they may have been subject to a lot of lies and been innocently ignorant. I'm kind of hoping there will be some interesting surprises as we learn more about the genetic makeup of more and more organisms and especially how changes arise.
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