Proof and analysis of Biblical end time accuracey

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Originally posted by Coragyps:

he speaks at one point of the earth's plates that move about. This is a very recent discovery, and yet the second book of Esdras (Apocrypha, should have been included in the Bible, but was removed for some reason; Lord knows why) tells of this

I'm calling you on this. I sure find nothing of the sort at BibleNet - http://www.biblenet.net/library/apocrypha/?s= - when I search for "earth" or "plates". Chapter & verse, please.

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6:13-29
We also know that God is a consuming fire (as of the core--I have explained this in this thread), so as he speaks beneath the earth and oceans, you hear his voice through the shifting plates, so this is what he tells Esdras. And he listens to the voice of the earth's foundations, and hears the sound of a multitude of waters (as the waters are different bodies due to plates shifting) and then says, after he is told that, that slowly but surely the earth beneath him was moved upon itself.

So when God moves his plates creating earthquakes,tsunamis,volcanic eruptions killing millions over the centuries, He is only proving to us His existence?

Umliak:Like your good self I am no scholar. Based on my limited knowledge though, I have come across several points you make, which are enthusiastic contradictions, of the basic biblical tenet. It is this which leads me to question what book, and/or belief you are actually basing your comments and 'supposed' analysis on.Is it the bible?If so, then I would like to know; are you aware, of the extent that the bible record has been altered?You mentioned previously, chapters removed, are you also aware that the 'Bible', has in fact been transcribed repeatedly. Transcribing which includes at least one version done by a witches coven, and others by those, motivated to distort the basic tenet of the book.I have also read this entire thread, and have seen little in relevance, to 'end times accuracy'. Which according to scripture, is revealed only in revelations.What I have seen in this thread, is a proposed justification, of the existance of the biblical God. I personally would consider an 'analysis of biblical end time accuracy', to include itemised evidence; i.e. pestilance, and its correlation to the words of revelations. Rather than a debate as to the existance of God. In all fairness though, I do note little use of quotation marks to cite text. Therefore it is entirely probable, that I have confused, opinion and biblical text.Have I simply overlooked points you have made, to support your analysis?Could you shed some light on these points please Umliak.Shaz

Welcome, Shaz, I can see you will add a different perspective to EvC. Now, what`s this rubbish about a transcription by a witches` coven?

Thank you for the welcome Nighttrain. After looking around here a little, I can see I best not make comments without having something to show for it. lol Unfortunately I no longer have on hand my citation material, so the best I can do at this time is:-Francis Bacon and the KJV Bible (Francis Bacon, Ist KJV)
http://www.mag-net.com/~maranath/ttt.htm & http://watch.pair.com/another.html (Westcott & Hort)
http://www.av1611.org/nkjv.html (NKJV)
http://www.av1611.org/kjv/ripwhit6.html (NIV reference)
http://www.avpublications.com/...tml_tract.htm#anchor1086736 (niv & nasb et al, tract excerpts)Personally, I am not a big advocate for putting a lot of faith in the written form though (either for or against anything), all is/was subject to interpretation. With enough time and resources, anyone with the ability to tie ends together, can prove or disprove most things. Though forums such as this are wonderful opportunities to grow, and explore the intricacies of the mind.Thank you again for the welcome, I think I will learn a lot from this site.Shaz

I don't see much of that: Those "foundations" sound suspiciously like the "foundations" or "pillars" elsewhere in the Bible - the ones that our disc-shaped Earth stands upon. Hardly continental plates.
The same chapter has some very nice imagery, but involving no sphere: That's all NRSV - would another translation sound more like what Wegener had in mind re plate tectonics?

I didn't say it involves a sphere, and for the record you failed to acknowledge the part that I told you of, and you didn't quote it. Either this was a mistake or you're maliciously misguiding people. For one, you have no idea what the Bible is really referring to on most of its topics, including the pillars and foundations. And further more if you had read what I told you to read, you would have found and quoted and realized what it was that I relapsed to you: "And slowly but surely the ground beneath me was moved upon itself."In his being told of the foundations he then says this, which I interpret to be the earth's plates. If you were maliciously leaving things out to mislead people, I can only assume you won't fail to disagree or insult its message.

The Bible throughout speaks of the end times realization that I am speaking of. And, yes, I do realize chapters were removed which is why I bought the Apocrypha because the books were not included in the Bible. And also many books and writings are discovered not included in the Bible, nor implemented. But if you knew what you were talking about you would know that the Catholic version (although I am not Catholic, which shouldn't make a difference anyway, but I'll just clarify this for you) does include such removed books. Also, there are newly discovered Gospels, and the elaborate books of the story of Adam and Eve, and the beginning.Besides when I refer to the Bible as being accurate it goes to the root of its documentation and our history--which includes things not in the average Bible. It's not easy for somebody to point out things that are missing when one has not mentioned his entire life's story and knowledge. You can keep informing me of things I lack to type out for you in this thread if you desire, but the thread and its topic remain.

So what would be the source of this "flame" as you call it. Is it something that our pilots have to deal with on a regular basis?
Why does the flame not extend down to the surface with the rest of the atmosphere?What is the evidence you have to present sir. Because sir you are the one making the claim for the accuracy of the bible it is necessary for you to defend your position.Pick one claim,any one and we will listen to your arguement.

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A centipede was happy quite, until a toad in fun
Said, "Pray, which leg comes after which?'
This raised his doubts to such a pitch
He fell distracted in the ditch
Not knowing how to run.

Oh, but you know. I knew that......I quoted everything relevant that I found in 2 Esdras chapter 6, Umliak.

Shaz,You were speaking off topic to challenge things I have already explained, or things that need not be explained because they have nothing to do with the topic. You are right in saying it is about action and consequence, and relation to mankind and its demise. So also do I speak of. And I supported the passages in Revelation.Forgive me; I assumed if somebody was going to challenge the Bible they would have at least read it (or, a lot of it) before attempting to act educated or fit to do so. And so I didn't see the need to dish out scriptures, although I have.

I didn't know, for the record what foundations and pillars were--necessarily. But I only have ideas, now. That you found relevant; yes. Not including that which I pointed out, and that which was the key point. So while you say it was what you found relevant, that doesn't tell me if it was a malicious intent to discredit the truth.

Still waiting for that backup of your claim about speaking in tongues or your retraction of it.