Proof and analysis of Biblical end time accuracey

This topic started out with a very long, complex message 1. It went through a fair amount of review and editing to get it where it now is.I still don't really know what to make of it, but the originator did seem to put a lot of effort into getting it into a releasable form, and I think s/he should be rewarded for such.Message 1 of the "Proposed New Topic" has been spun off to become this new topic.Adminnemooseus

I really don't know what to make of it either - the second sentence stopped me for a minute, though. "Round and a sphere" in three places? Really? We've been over this ground here before, and "sphere" just ain't there in the text. That's not a real good start for a "Bible accuracy" thread.This message has been edited by Coragyps, 12-21-2004 09:15 PM

Hi,There's a whole lot of stuff in there that you take for granted and you do not attempt to justify your conclusions to others.For example, this particular claim is confusing:So you see life is a cycle of life and death; it's a perfect creation. This is difficult to accept, given that death was not originally part of creation, and only entered because of mankind's sin. Thus, you are claiming that God created sin as part of His perfect creation, this does not make sense at all.Brian.

Wow! A great effort and somewhat poetic, umliak! Is this your interpretation of the meaning of life in a nutshell? I am curious. Are you influenced by some things that you have read, or are you giving us your written opinion of the meanings contained in your thread?Do you see us all becoming a great ashes to ashes, dust to dust sort of finale whereafter the curtain lifts and God the director comes on stage to renew us?Often we (here at EvC) quibble over the meaning and purpose of our future. Some of us believe that humanity is imperfect and is predestined to end in its current state. God will intervene and correct our bullish free wills. Meaning is found in our relationship to God.Others of us, Sidelined and Rrhain come to mind, offer that we are mere bit actors in a much larger universal drama. We are part of a cosmic dance of creativity which is an ongoing and vibrant march towards greater diversity and form. To them, the meaning is not to be focused on us as dancers, but the meaning and homage is to be paid to the dance itself!Whaddaya think, umliak? Any further thoughts?

Hi, Eh, of course much of it is literal, it is trying to prove which parts are literal that is the difficult bit.For example, do you believe that Lamech lived for 777 years, 653 years, or 753 years?Or is Lamech's age one of those things we should not take literally?Brian.

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Eh, of course much of it is literal, it is trying to prove which parts are literal that is the difficult bit.

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For example, do you believe that Lamech lived for 777 years, 653 years, or 753 years?

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Or is Lamech's age one of those things we should not take literally?

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Brian.

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Forgive my vagueness. I meant much of the Bible is literal to earth now; or, the dying aspect which we are in now. Whereas a lot of it is literal to spirit and heaven...and many people go around thinking of things as being of invisible heavenly events correlating to earth which we will not see on earth, or in this planet but on some other plain (while this is true, I believe much of the Bible is physically involved AS WELL as being heavenly and spiritually). Such as the trumpets being sounded. I think they may be literal descriptions by a prophet who was seeing these visions. For instance, a mushroom cloud: it makes a loud sound, and is gigantic. It also looks similar to a trumpet; which a prophet, I propose, could have used to describe it. Something like a mushroom cloud (or huge bomb) exploding can have dramatic influences across the entire earth's body and health, changing the environment everywhere and for everything. Such a trumpet could then trigger heavenly plagues on earth.If one were to bomb the north pole, for instance, he could support in creating massive, massive dramatic problems everywhere. Even if one were to bomb the ocean with an atomic bomb, you could create tidal waves and do much damage. So why not suggest such bombs and events could trigger events the Bible tells us of? If you bomb and island, I believe this disrupts earthly health, in some way, and so can cause massive problems everywhere. The earth is one body. War here can affect social climates across the globe. So many things in the Bible are probably more literal than men take them to be.

Umliak,Maybe you can help me in the "The relevence of Biblical claims to science" forum in "Misc Topics"

Again, we're hearing the same old stuff. Maybe you can help me on two little points.First, give me one good reason I should accept the Bible over the Prose and Poetic Eddas or the Koran or any of the countless oral traditions about gods and creation and so forth.Second, show why a mythic mindset is valid in the first place. Why do we need gods?

The ancient Greeks had known, and proven, that the Earth was spherical, long before it was written in the Bible. Not only that but they'd quite accurately measured it's diameter. Uh, the fact that the Bible writers were able to write down something that was fairly common knowledge among intelligentia in the ancient world doesn't speak at all to it's accuracy. Moreover, the accuracy of one statement in a work can't be used to substantiate other, unrelated statements. After all, I could write a book that said:1) The sky is blue.
2) 1 + 1 = 2.
3) I can move objects simply with the power of my mind.The fact that 1 and 2 are undeniably true doesn't substantiate 3.

Thanks for that verse: it proves my point even further. Clay under a seal will indeed be circular and disk-shaped, not spherical in the least. The ancient Hebrews pretty obviously held the Earth to be a disk - otherwise we can't have the devil showing Jesus "all the kingdoms of the world" from a mountain, or God "above" and looking down on (presumably) all the grasshopper-like people on the circle of the Earth. How do you sit "above" a sphere, exactly, when that sphere is big enough to have its own noticeable gravity?