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Author Topic:   Life on Other Planets: Is it a problem for creationists?
WebFeet
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Message 31 of 101 (78349)
01-14-2004 6:58 AM
Reply to: Message 19 by DaVx0r
12-01-2003 7:47 PM


"What if Jesus came back from the heavens and told us there is a god? Wouldn't that prove evolution wrong?"
If Jesus returned, how would he prove his identity ?
Would we just have to take it as an act of faith that he is who he says he is ?

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Infinity
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Message 32 of 101 (78570)
01-15-2004 2:29 AM
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01-14-2004 6:58 AM


What if Jesus returns...
"If Jesus returned, how would he prove his identity ?"
I promise you, if He returns (which might be tomorrow, who knows?) you certainly will know He is Jesus and that God exists. But I'm afraid it's too late to start believing then. Don't know if you're gonna be happy to see Him..
Infinity

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RingoKid
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Message 33 of 101 (78571)
01-15-2004 2:43 AM


Life as we know it was also created in the big bang...
...and the same life force which powers us powers whatever else is out there
and like I said, given access to our vocabulary Genesis would have been an entirely different story...
Imagine if God had implanted those same thoughts to an astrophysicists, we'd probably still be at odds over interpretation.

  
WebFeet
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Message 34 of 101 (78583)
01-15-2004 4:37 AM
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01-15-2004 2:29 AM


Re: What if Jesus returns...
you certainly will know He is Jesus and that God exists.
So it would be an act of Faith.
When the Aztecs first encountered the Spannish, because of their superior technology, they regarded them as Gods.
Suppose for a moment that extraterrestrials exist and one arrived on Earth with technology beyond our comprehension. If he claimed to be Jesus, how could his claim be refuted ?

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Christian7
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Message 35 of 101 (82320)
02-02-2004 8:08 PM
Reply to: Message 15 by crashfrog
11-29-2003 6:25 PM


The purpose of the rest of the planets and little atomic structures and complex systems of the universe's purpose is to show god's glory.
This was supposed to disprove evolution. The bible states this.

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Message 36 of 101 (82322)
02-02-2004 8:11 PM
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02-02-2004 8:08 PM


This was supposed to disprove evolution. The bible states this.
So, if we find life on other planets can we conclude that God does not exist? That, I think, is the point of the thread. Though it's not my thread - I think it's a stupid question. Why worry about it until we actually find the life?

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NosyNed
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Message 37 of 101 (82323)
02-02-2004 8:12 PM
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02-02-2004 8:08 PM


The purpose of the rest of the planets and little atomic structures and complex systems of the universe's purpose is to show god's glory.
Yup and those Christians who understand the universe better believe in a much more glorious God than those who can't begin to comprehend the simple, old fashioned, magical God of the OT.
This was supposed to disprove evolution. The bible states this.
Huh?

Common sense isn't

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Christian7
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Message 38 of 101 (82326)
02-02-2004 8:16 PM
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02-02-2004 8:12 PM


Well, the bible says that the universe is supposed to prove the existanse of god. It does not literaly say "The universe disproves evolution, oh yea, that's a theory in the future that they are coming up with" Stupidity 1:1 (Not realy a book of the bible)

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Message 39 of 101 (82330)
02-02-2004 8:21 PM
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02-02-2004 8:16 PM


As someone else has noted here, very eloquently too:
God wrote the rocks, Man wrote the Bible.
The universe may or may not prove the existance of God but if you believe it is his direct handiwork then what it does show is how He formed his creation. He could not allow the enormous complexity of those details to bury the true message of the Bible so he wrote that into the very fabric of the universe for us to read. How He did it is not as described in Genesis.

Common sense isn't

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Message 40 of 101 (82335)
02-02-2004 8:36 PM
Reply to: Message 24 by sidelined
12-01-2003 10:05 PM


Alien Life and the Creator: E.T. meets J.C.
Quite a perplexing scenario! We of course have several million questions! Assuming that our Creator is real, I would think that He deals with each type of life that He has created in a manner unique to the issues. Humans needed salvation due to the first freely yet wrongly chosen option. Dolphins, on the other hand, either have no problem accepting the Creator or have no awareness of Him. I suspect the former. No, I have no proof of any of this==it is all speculation. As for other galaxies, I would believe that God is big enough to deal with all universal life and is the Creator of such life. Along gthese same lines of thought, what happens hypothetically on this planet once Jesus returns and all have had their choice?
Another level of responsibility and relationship with God, perhaps.
One more sidenote: As for the book,(Bible) if and when we take it literally, we must realize that He wants us to take it to heart literally and not intellectually. Case in point: Pharisees tell Jesus that He breaks the law by healing on Sabbath. Jesus points out that they may be correct intellectually, yet deficient internally(in the heart.) Thus...as for God relating to the universe...I say...what would the universal Love and Truth of such a reality be? Not so much what the exact method of logic and application.

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Message 41 of 101 (82526)
02-03-2004 8:49 AM
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02-02-2004 8:21 PM


As someone else has noted here, very eloquently too:
God wrote the rocks, Man wrote the Bible.
That was me, but I can't claim authorship or remember from where I stole it.

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kendemyer
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Message 42 of 101 (89452)
02-29-2004 7:18 PM


other intelligent life
The Bible declares:
"For God so loved the world He gave his only begotten Son."
There is no mention of worlds. In other words, there is no plural used.
Also, the universe is not going to waste as one person said. It declares the glory of God.
Lastly, according to the Bible all the creations of God who have personality have freewill - Angels, fallen angels, and man. Evidently, freedom of will is important to God.
Therefore, based on my Biblical exegesis I would say that we are it in the universe.
Sincerely,
Ken

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Loudmouth
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Message 43 of 101 (89572)
03-01-2004 12:18 PM
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02-29-2004 7:18 PM


Re: other intelligent life
kendemyer,
So life on other planets would not be a problem for creationists, but intelligent life would? Is this you position?

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Brian
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Message 44 of 101 (89573)
03-01-2004 12:23 PM
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02-29-2004 7:18 PM


Re: other intelligent life
Hi Ken
Lastly, according to the Bible all the creations of God who have personality have freewill - Angels, fallen angels, and man. Evidently, freedom of will is important to God.
How does this square with Jonah then?
Jonah did not want to go to Nineveh, God forced him to go, therefore God did not respect Jonah's free will. Jonah also wanted to die, God did not allow him to die. There seems to be evidence that contradicts your 'exegesis'.
Brian.

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MexicanHotChocolate
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Message 45 of 101 (116336)
06-18-2004 5:50 AM
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02-29-2004 7:18 PM


Re: other intelligent life
Except that the book of Job speaks of Satan walking to and fro among the worlds...Why would Satan visit unihabitated worlds? And besides if Jesus is God he can be born and die...ad naseum...on as many worlds where beings live who need to hear his message.

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