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contracycle
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Message 61 of 79 (204922)
05-04-2005 10:05 AM
Reply to: Message 58 by nator
05-04-2005 8:27 AM


quote:
You do realize that by calling Brennakimi "hysterical" you are using a sexist, female-bashing term, don't you?
Christ thats embarrasing Scraf. No of course it isn't.
Claiming, or assuming, that women, as a collective, are hysterical as a property of their weak feminine brains, is indeed sexist. Accusing an individual of acting hysterically is entirely appropriate and permissable.
And you should know this, becuase you should know, it is not about the words, it is about the message conveyed in the words. At no point have I ever attacked Brenna, or you, or indeed anyone, on the basis of their gender. Not ever. I challenge you to show any circumstance in which I have done so, supremely confident you will find none.
And because you should know this, raising this objection here and now is beneath you; you must have known it was spurious. It was merely malicious.

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nator
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Message 62 of 79 (205050)
05-04-2005 8:06 PM
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05-04-2005 10:05 AM


From the OED
hysteria
1. Path. A functional disturbance of the nervous system, characterized by such disorders as ansthesia, hypersthesia, convulsions, etc., and usually attended with emotional disturbances and enfeeblement or perversion of the moral and intellectual faculties. (Also called colloquially hysterics.)
Women being much more liable than men to this disorder, it was originally thought to be due to a disturbance of the uterus and its functions: cf. HYSTERIC and the Ger. term mutterweh. Former names for the disease were vapours and hysteric(al) passion.

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contracycle
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Message 63 of 79 (205159)
05-05-2005 5:31 AM
Reply to: Message 62 by nator
05-04-2005 8:06 PM


Re: From the OED
Yes thats nice Schraf. Unfortuntely, it falls fould of my standing criticism of dictionaries - dictionaries must priovide all meanings attached to words, and do not much discuss appropriate circumstances.
In order to make your argument you have resorted to the term as used to describe a medical pathology; unfortuinately this ignores the common usage of the term:
1. Behavior exhibiting excessive or uncontrollable emotion, such as fear or panic.
2. A mental disorder characterized by emotional excitability and sometimes by amnesia or a physical deficit, such as paralysis, or a sensory deficit, without an organic cause.
"Behaviour exhibiting excessive or uncontrolled emotion" is a precisely accurate description of Brennas baseless and unsupportable ranting.
And the real irony is that in attmepting to construct this spurious argument, you are committing the very sin which Brenna rails against, which includes being hypersensitive over alleged discrimination in ordinary speech. But of course, and this is the reason its ironic, its because you have suspended your normal critical faculties in your haste to launch an attack on me, haven't you? You certainly know that normal use of the perfectly serviceable English word "hysteria" cannot be sexist unless I make gender an issue in the claim - and I certainly did no such thing.
Asking Brenna to show her sources is NOT such an absurd request that you should feel the need to ride to her rescue. And overall debate would be much improved if instead of tolerating these drive-by posters and protecting them from serious questions, you instead insisted they DO defend their positions with evidence.

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nator
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Message 64 of 79 (205209)
05-05-2005 8:53 AM
Reply to: Message 63 by contracycle
05-05-2005 5:31 AM


Re: From the OED
Contra, clearly you are a sexist because you refuse to ackowledge the source and root of the word "hysterical" as being sexist and demeaning to women.
Therefore, your contention that you are a feminist is called into question.
I demand that the moderators address this sexism!

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contracycle
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Message 65 of 79 (205244)
05-05-2005 10:01 AM
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05-05-2005 8:53 AM


Re: From the OED
quote:
I demand that the moderators address this sexism!
Self-parody as argument? An... interesting... tactic.

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Adminnemooseus
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Message 66 of 79 (205445)
05-05-2005 10:58 PM
Reply to: Message 65 by contracycle
05-05-2005 10:01 AM


Contracycle suspended, time period not yet known
For ongoing behavior problems here and elsewhere, Contracycle has been suspended for a yet to be determined amount of time. You can try apealing your case to admin@. But I don't think Admin has much simpathy for you right now.
Shraf - (IMO) You're not coming out of this looking that wonderful yourself. You shouldn't let him do such a fine job of pushing your buttons.
Or something like that.
Comments on this? Take it to the "General..." topic, link below (I expect I'll be reopening it soon).
Adminnemooseus
Added by edit: Perhaps, if anyone is interested in trying to salvage this topic, they should go back and (re)read message 1 and everthing beteen there and here.
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arachnophilia
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Message 67 of 79 (205529)
05-06-2005 7:34 AM
Reply to: Message 61 by contracycle
05-04-2005 10:05 AM


hyster-
Claiming, or assuming, that women, as a collective, are hysterical as a property of their weak feminine brains, is indeed sexist
actually, women as a collective would not be hysterical due to their weak feminine brains. that's entirely the wrong region of the body. instead, they'd be hysterical due to their hysteras, which is greek for "womb" or uterus.
hysteria, in victorian england was a "disease" women got from time to time. only women, and not men, as men do not have wombs. it was treated by having a skilled doctor manually masturbate the woman, sometimes with a device called a "vibrator." vibrators were later marketed to women as home health appliances. in serious cases, a procedure called a "hysterectomy" (ie: removing the hystera) would be performed.
it modern terms, we might equate "hysteria" with "pms."

אָרַח

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joshua221 
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Message 68 of 79 (206243)
05-08-2005 8:53 PM
Reply to: Message 33 by nator
05-02-2005 10:26 AM


Bikinis, MTV, stuff like that.

porteus@gmail.com

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nator
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Message 69 of 79 (206253)
05-08-2005 9:25 PM
Reply to: Message 68 by joshua221
05-08-2005 8:53 PM


quote:
Bikinis, MTV, stuff like that.
That's not using our wonder and reverence for woman's ability to create life to keep people watching TV.
That's using titlation and sexual imagery to keep people watching.

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Hangdawg13
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Message 70 of 79 (206306)
05-08-2005 11:34 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by joshua221
04-23-2005 9:06 PM


Let's look at:
Technological advances since the industrial revolution have provided mankind less need for hard work, heavy lifting, and work that mainly males would do during this time. "Grunt work" has been disappearing, as humans rely on machines and other tools to take away this sort of labor.
And instead of argue if boys are better than girls try and figger out what the heck the future generation of boys and girls will be like when we have the option of macro-evolving ourselves in one generation.

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nator
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Message 71 of 79 (206385)
05-09-2005 7:58 AM
Reply to: Message 70 by Hangdawg13
05-08-2005 11:34 PM


quote:
And instead of argue if boys are better than girls try and figger out what the heck the future generation of boys and girls will be like when we have the option of macro-evolving ourselves in one generation.
What makes you think that this will ever be possible in the future?
Evolution doesn't happen to individuals.

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Hangdawg13
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Message 72 of 79 (206586)
05-09-2005 6:52 PM
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05-09-2005 7:58 AM


What makes you think that this will ever be possible in the future?
From what I understand we already have the ability to alter individuals and will soon have the ability to alter the germ line.
We are already doing all sorts of things with lab animals; its only a matter of time before parents have the option of eliminating genetic diseases. ...and while they're at it they may want to make sure their kid isn't a runt... and heck they might as well make him a good athlete, handsome, extra smart, tireless, etc...
Evolution doesn't happen to individuals.
Why not? We have the power, and we will use it.

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coffee_addict
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Message 73 of 79 (206602)
05-09-2005 7:54 PM
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05-09-2005 6:52 PM


Hangdawg writes:
Why not? We have the power, and we will use it.
By definition, the smallest unit that can evolve is a population.
If we make better people through genetic engineering, it's called "gattacarization" or some other damn thing, but it's not evolution.

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Hangdawg13
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Message 74 of 79 (206630)
05-09-2005 11:30 PM
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05-09-2005 7:54 PM


By definition, the smallest unit that can evolve is a population.
That's the Biological Evolution definition, but there are other kinds of evolution.
If we make better people through genetic engineering, it's called "gattacarization" or some other damn thing, but it's not evolution.
Cool; I learned a new word. Did they coin that after the movie Gattica or vice versa...?
So anyway... either by gattacarization or by cybernetics I'm pretty sure whole populations of humans (and eventually robots) will evolve themselves during the next century... unless of course Iran drops an EMP over everybody, or the NWO turns on Big Brother in full force or WWIII breaks out... etc.

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coffee_addict
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Message 75 of 79 (206653)
05-10-2005 2:07 AM
Reply to: Message 74 by Hangdawg13
05-09-2005 11:30 PM


Hangdawg writes:
That's the Biological Evolution definition, but there are other kinds of evolution.
Fair enough.
Cool; I learned a new word. Did they coin that after the movie Gattica or vice versa...?
Ha ha. Actually, I just pulled that word out of my...
So anyway... either by gattacarization or by cybernetics I'm pretty sure whole populations of humans (and eventually robots) will evolve themselves during the next century... unless of course Iran drops an EMP over everybody, or the NWO turns on Big Brother in full force or WWIII breaks out... etc.
I doubt we will ever have WWIII for one obvious reason: I will already have taken over the world before WW3 is remotely a possibility.

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