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Coragyps
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Message 16 of 61 (255877)
10-31-2005 6:54 PM
Reply to: Message 13 by jimrlong.com
10-30-2005 11:18 PM


Re: Sequence of events of cration
The text you quoted, Jim, says:
"The land produced vegetation: plants bearing seed according to their kinds and trees bearing fruit with seed in it according to their kinds."
The fossil record, on the other hand, shows that trilobites, nautiloids, eurypterids, morganucodons, and whole classes of other animals were all extinct long millions of years before the first fruit grew on any plant.

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Message 17 of 61 (255878)
10-31-2005 6:54 PM
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10-30-2005 11:18 PM


Re: Sequence of events of cration {sic}
and sufficient when compared to Genesis 2 to show that the authors didn't know anything. Two tries and in neither case could they get the order right.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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Message 18 of 61 (312063)
05-15-2006 4:01 PM


Here is a little biology lesson on the complexity of a single cell
Evolutionists wish you to believe the following was created by mere chance. They believe the life started from nothing and began to populate the Earth.
Here is a little biology lesson on the complexity of a single cell.
The cell membrane is made up of protein molecules and fat (lipid). Let us first exam the complexity of the protein molecule. Protein molecules are an assembly of hundreds and some thousands of amino acids (not just any of the 80 in nature but just 20 are found in living organisms). Now one point to be made according to NASA an environment capable of producing amino acids has never been present on Earth and another fact is amino acids are more likely to be attracted to other molecules than other amino acids. Now these amino acids are assembled in certain ways at right angles. Not to mention that 100’s and sometimes 1000’s of amino acids that are required in order to form a single protein molecule, and we need a lot of protein. But well maybe by chance, let’s not forget chance. Now if you assembled enough and made a cell membrane, you would have to also by chance have other structures inside the cell membrane, all without wind and rain destroying it.
Inside this cell membrane are other structures; but now let us focus on the nucleus of a cell contains DNA, the building block of life. DNA is made up of just 4 amino acids out of the 80 in nature to form nucleotides, and the polymer is known as a "polynucleotide” in specific sequences on on double helix design. All by chance remember.
Now through some astronomical chance we have a cell our next task is to do what some believe impossible bring it to life. Through some chance cosmic force yet identified we have brought this miracle of nature to life. How? Electricity, radiation, heat are more likely destroy our concoction than to bring it to life. Any period of time and wind and rain are going to break up the cell.
I don’t have enough faith in chance to believe that life began without a Creator. I call the Creator God the father. You can read about His Son, my Savior, Jesus Christ on my forum.
Edited by jimrlong.com, : Needed to ad helix design.

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Message 19 of 61 (312217)
05-15-2006 9:56 PM
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05-15-2006 4:01 PM


Re: Here is a little biology lesson on the complexity of a single cell
jim, you may have noticed that folks aren't replying. That's not because responses aren't to be had - indeed, I suspect that most (like myself) are chomping at the bit to respond to your post. However, you have left the topic of the thread and introduced a new one (a few new ones, actually). This forum takes topics seriously, and if I or anyone else were to respond to you, we'd be admonished by administrators.
Just thought I'd let you know, since the administrators seem to be uncharacteristically ignoring your post. Your message 18 could be made into a new thread or two, and we'd be happy to respond to it.

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Message 20 of 61 (312222)
05-15-2006 10:10 PM
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05-15-2006 4:01 PM


Re: Here is a little biology lesson on the complexity of a single cell
DNA is made up of just 4 amino acids out of the 80 in nature to form nucleotides,
Wow. Just wow.

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Message 21 of 61 (338224)
08-06-2006 11:07 AM


Makeup of DNA
I made a mistake about the makeup of DNA:
Inside this cell membrane are other structures; but now let us focus on the nucleus of a cell contains DNA, the building block of life. DNA is a polymer. The monomer units of DNA are nucleotides, and the polymer is known as a "polynucleotide." Each nucleotide consists of a 5-carbon sugar (deoxyribose), a nitrogen containing base attached to the sugar, and a phosphate group. There are four different types of nucleotides found in DNA, differing only in the nitrogenous base. The four nucleotides are given one letter abbreviations as shorthand for the four bases:
A is for adenine
G is for guanine
C is for cytosine
T is for thymine
All by chance remember.

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Message 22 of 61 (338229)
08-06-2006 11:46 AM
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08-06-2006 11:07 AM


Re: Makeup of DNA
Well, that's what it's like now, to be sure. And remember too that the structure of DNA is universal; it's the same for all existing organisms, no matter how different those organisms may be. Plants, animals, and everything in between - the genetic mechanism is identical. (Which substantiates the evolutionary position of shared common ancestry.)
What you've described is how it works now. What makes you think that was how it worked in the beginning?

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Message 23 of 61 (338267)
08-06-2006 2:53 PM
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08-06-2006 11:46 AM


Re: Makeup of DNA
I think more to the point is why you think it wouldn't be if it proves a common ancestry?

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Message 24 of 61 (338273)
08-06-2006 3:20 PM
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08-06-2006 2:53 PM


Re: Makeup of DNA
I think more to the point is why you think it wouldn't be if it proves a common ancestry?
Can you reword your question? I don't understand what you're asking me.

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Message 25 of 61 (338292)
08-06-2006 5:29 PM
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08-06-2006 3:20 PM


Re: Makeup of DNA
"the genetic mechanism is identical. (Which substantiates the evolutionary position of shared common ancestry.)"
"What you've described is how it works now. What makes you think that was how it worked in the beginning?"
So why don't you believe this is not what it was like in the beginning?
If DNA proves a common ancestry, why wouldn't original life have it?
The reason I ask is because if the original life form's didn't have a cell makeup with DNA, then by chance I think we would find different origins; with several common ancestries!
So if all life as we know it now has a common ancestor then I would extrapolate that the original life would have it too. Because if I remember how evolutionists put it would be through subtle changes in the most basic DNA that produced life’s abundance today. Subtle Changes in DNA. If DNA didn’t exist in the origins of life; how and when did we get a common ancestor?

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Message 26 of 61 (338296)
08-06-2006 5:46 PM
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08-06-2006 5:29 PM


Re: Makeup of DNA
So why don't you believe this is not what it was like in the beginning?
Why would it be? Things change over time.
If DNA proves a common ancestry, why wouldn't original life have it?
Why would it? Why wouldn't DNA be the later development of a lineage of living things?
So if all life as we know it now has a common ancestor then I would extrapolate that the original life would have it too.
That would be an improper extrapolation. How does that follow logically, in your mind?
If DNA didn’t exist in the origins of life; how and when did we get a common ancestor?
What do these things have to do with each other? You need to refine your thought process before you post again.
Consider this simple model:
1) first living thing evolves with RNA-based genetics and enzymes.
2) decendants of that living thing develop DNA-based genetics and protein-based enzymes.
3) decendants of that living thing go on to evolve into all the living things that exist today.
Just because a group of living things share a quality, doesn't mean that every ancestor of those things shared the quality. Evolution is the source of novel structures in living things, and DNA at one point was one of those novel structures.

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Message 27 of 61 (338405)
08-07-2006 5:59 PM
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08-06-2006 5:46 PM


Re: Makeup of RNA
1) first living thing evolves with RNA-based genetics and enzymes
RiboNucleic Acids consist of:
Ribose (a pentose = sugar with 5 carbons)
Phosphoric Acid
Organic (nitrogenous) bases: Purines (Adenine and Guanine) and Pyrimidines (Cytosine and Uracil)
An RNA molecule is a linear polymer in which the monomers (nucleotides) are linked together by means of phosphodiester bridges, or bonds. These bonds link the 3' carbon in the ribose of one nucleotide to the 5' carbon in the ribose of the adjacent nucleotide.
It is no more likely this got created by accident either.

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Message 28 of 61 (338541)
08-08-2006 2:04 PM
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jimrlong.com writes:
It is no more likely this got created by accident either.
I don't quite understand why you're talking about an "accident". Chemistry is pretty deterministic - if the components are there and the conditions are right, the bonds will form. The "likelihood" (probability) may be low, but as long as it is non-zero, it will happen, given enough time.

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Message 29 of 61 (339266)
08-11-2006 3:13 PM
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"Chemistry is pretty deterministic - if the components are there and the conditions are right, the bonds will form"
From: Here is a little biology lesson on the complexity of a single cell:
"another fact is amino acids are more likely to be attracted to other molecules than other amino acids"
"The "likelihood" (probability) may be low, but as long as it is non-zero, it will happen, given enough time"
From: Here is a little biology lesson on the complexity of a single cell:
"Now one point to be made according to NASA an environment capable of producing amino acids has never been present on Earth"
Also, Given enough time the proverbial 747 could be built out of spare parts by wind, but will the jet fly or the cell live?

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Message 30 of 61 (339274)
08-11-2006 3:31 PM
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08-11-2006 3:13 PM


jimrlong.com writes:
... amino acids are more likely to be attracted to other molecules than other amino acids
Depends on what's in the beaker, don't it?
Depends on concentrations. Depends on pH. Depends on temperature. Depends on a lot of things that your blanket statement ignores.
... according to NASA an environment capable of producing amino acids has never been present on Earth
From the Miller-Urey experiment and subsequent variations, it seems clear that a wide variety of environments are capable of producing amino acids. Are you suggesting that NASA denies all of those possibilities? If so, please provide references.
Given enough time the proverbial 747 could be built out of spare parts by wind, but will the jet fly or the cell live?
I was down at the lake the other day watching the canards. None of them were as old as yours.
(You can use the "Peek" button in the lower right-hand corner of each post to see how quotes and other "special effects" are done. You can consult a good high-school textbook to find out how comprehensible English sentences are constructed.)

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