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jimrlong.com
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Message 1 of 61 (254548)
10-24-2005 7:40 PM


An interesting thing happens when you take the approximate number for the Creation of the Earth is 4.7 Billion Years ago and “homo sapiens” at between 130 - 195 Million Years Ago divided by the 5 days given in the Biblical account in Genesis 1, you get approximately 1 Billion Years and the fist life supposedly appeared 1 Billion Years after Earth Creation. So is 1 Billion Years God’s Day? To get a closer number one would need to know how those dates were arrived at and what margin of error they contain.
Dates except “homo sapiens” dates taken from Arizona University:
http://nitro.biosci.arizona.edu/...gins_of_Life/origins.html
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Message 2 of 61 (254553)
10-24-2005 7:52 PM


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Message 3 of 61 (254556)
10-24-2005 7:57 PM
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10-24-2005 7:40 PM


Uhhh - Homo sapiens at 130,000,000 years ago? That's maybe about right for the first placental mammal, but the first modern human was more like a thousandth of that long ago!

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Message 4 of 61 (254557)
10-24-2005 7:58 PM
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10-24-2005 7:40 PM


And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
It is written that God created the earth in 6.

The ocean breathes salty, won't you carry it in?
In your head, in your mouth, in your soul.
And maybe we'll get lucky and we'll both grow old.
Well I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I hope so.

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jimrlong.com
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Message 5 of 61 (254562)
10-24-2005 8:04 PM
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10-24-2005 7:57 PM


That makes between day 2-6 closer to a billion... Thanks
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Message 6 of 61 (254563)
10-24-2005 8:08 PM
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10-24-2005 7:40 PM


The theory show that once again the Biblical account is wrong.
Even if you accepted that a day as laid out in Genesis is 1 billion years, all it would prove is that the Genesis account once again is inconsistant with the evidence.
20: And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.
21: And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
22: And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.
23: And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.
So the sea critters and fowl show up in day 5.
24: And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.
25: And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
26: And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
27: So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
28: And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
29: And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.
30: And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.
31: And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.
And man and the land critters show up on day 6.
But your own link shows that life showed up about 3.6 Billion years ago or around midnight on day one, not on day 5 as Genesis says and we aren't even into day six which is when Genesis says humans will be created.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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jimrlong.com
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Message 7 of 61 (254565)
10-24-2005 8:12 PM
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10-24-2005 8:08 PM


Re: The theory show that once again the Biblical account is wrong.
24: And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.
25: And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
26: And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
27: So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
28: And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
29: And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.
30: And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.
31: And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.
God gives them to man on day 6 they were created before as you noted.

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jimrlong.com
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Message 8 of 61 (254567)
10-24-2005 8:15 PM
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10-24-2005 8:12 PM


Re: The theory show that once again the Biblical account is wrong.
Here is what God has reveled to me to explain the differences in Genesis 1 & 2 in the story of Creation and incorporate science differences found in the fossil record with Creation theory and allows me to place the Creation far further back than 7,000 years.
God revealed to Moses two separate stories: The Creation of everything (Genesis 1) story and then God fast forwarded to the Neolithic Revolution 7,000 years ago (Genesis 2) story. Genesis does not say that 1 & 2 stories are directly connected; they are two separate chapters. They are two completely different stories, and didn't have to happen one following the other exactly at the same time. I have long believed the Garden of Eden story as a lesson. I will post later the likely placing of the garden adjacent to the Mesopotamian Plain where 5,000 years ago one of the earliest civilizations existed.
To support my hypothesis that two different stories are being told, Genesis 1:1-2:-3 give different account than is given in Genesis 2:4-25 for the creation of everything.
And in the story of Cain and Able, Cane in Genesis 4:14 “that everyone who finds me will slay me” and in Genesis 4:16-17 Cane went to Nod, and “lay with his wife”
This sequence of events suggest to me that from Cane’s fear of others and his wife indicates more people than people were in existence than Adam, Eve, Cane, and Able being murdered, that the Bible tells us were alive from the text.
Neolithic Revolution 7,000 years ago was the beginning of man cultivating crops (Cane), and domesticating animals (Able). The account given in Genesis 2:4-15 happened 7,000 years ago. An important time in man’s development for God to pick up the next part of our story.
And the funny twist to this whole thing is that where once a lush garden existed is now an industrial wasteland, and we truly can't return to the garden.
Love to all of God's Creations, Jim
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Message 9 of 61 (254570)
10-24-2005 8:25 PM
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10-24-2005 8:12 PM


Re: The theory show that once again the Biblical account is wrong.
God gives them to man on day 6
We ain't got to day six yet by your very own sources.

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jimrlong.com
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Message 10 of 61 (254573)
10-24-2005 8:48 PM
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10-24-2005 8:25 PM


Re: The theory show that once again the Biblical account is wrong.
1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
2 Now the earth was [a] formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.
3 And God said, "Let there be light," and there was light. 4 God saw that the light was good, and He separated the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light "day," and the darkness he called "night." And there was evening, and there was morning”the first day.
6 And God said, "Let there be an expanse between the waters to separate water from water." 7 So God made the expanse and separated the water under the expanse from the water above it. And it was so. 8 God called the expanse "sky." And there was evening, and there was morning”the second day.
9 And God said, "Let the water under the sky be gathered to one place, and let dry ground appear." And it was so. 10 God called the dry ground "land," and the gathered waters he called "seas." And God saw that it was good.
11 Then God said, "Let the land produce vegetation: seed-bearing plants and trees on the land that bear fruit with seed in it, according to their various kinds." And it was so. 12 The land produced vegetation: plants bearing seed according to their kinds and trees bearing fruit with seed in it according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good. 13 And there was evening, and there was morning”the third day.
14 And God said, "Let there be lights in the expanse of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs to mark seasons and days and years, 15 and let them be lights in the expanse of the sky to give light on the earth." And it was so. 16 God made two great lights”the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars. 17 God set them in the expanse of the sky to give light on the earth, 18 to govern the day and the night, and to separate light from darkness. And God saw that it was good. 19 And there was evening, and there was morning”the fourth day.
20 And God said, "Let the water teem with living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth across the expanse of the sky." 21 So God created the great creatures of the sea and every living and moving thing with which the water teems, according to their kinds, and every winged bird according to its kind. And God saw that it was good. 22 God blessed them and said, "Be fruitful and increase in number and fill the water in the seas, and let the birds increase on the earth." 23 And there was evening, and there was morning”the fifth day.
24 And God said, "Let the land produce living creatures according to their kinds: livestock, creatures that move along the ground, and wild animals, each according to its kind." And it was so. 25 God made the wild animals according to their kinds, the livestock according to their kinds, and all the creatures that move along the ground according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good.
26 Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, [b] and over all the creatures that move along the ground."
27 So God created man in his own image,
in the image of God he created him;
male and female he created them.
28 God blessed them and said to them, "Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air and over every living creature that moves on the ground."
29 Then God said, "I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food. 30 And to all the beasts of the earth and all the birds of the air and all the creatures that move on the ground”everything that has the breath of life in it”I give every green plant for food." And it was so.
31 God saw all that he had made, and it was very good. And there was evening, and there was morning”the sixth day.
Genesis 2
1 Thus the heavens and the earth were completed in all their vast array.
2 By the seventh day God had finished the work he had been doing; so on the seventh day he rested [c] from all his work. 3 And God blessed the seventh day and made it holy, because on it he rested from all the work of creating that he had done.

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Message 11 of 61 (255158)
10-27-2005 3:55 PM
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10-24-2005 7:40 PM


Did god not create the universe too? If so then you're going to have to increase the 4.5 billion years to closer to 14 billion years if you want this to match up with the evidence.

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jimrlong.com
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Message 12 of 61 (255726)
10-30-2005 11:13 PM
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10-27-2005 3:55 PM


Time is relative
Time is relative to the observer and is not constant. Projectiles always move faster at the point of explosion and move slower as time progresses. The speed of things after the “Big Bang” would have warped time and would have made predictions of time elapsed of the creation of the universe relative to an observer at that point and would be impossible to calculate without knowing the magnitude and velocity of the explosion.

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jimrlong.com
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Message 13 of 61 (255727)
10-30-2005 11:18 PM


Sequence of events of cration
One further note on the sequence of events stated in Gen 1:1 - 2:3 is exactly what science believes today. First the earth, then vegetation, then animals, and finally man. How would someone in ancient times predict this sequence?

The Peace of the lord be with you :-)

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Message 14 of 61 (255730)
10-30-2005 11:39 PM
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Re: Sequence of events of cration
the sequence of events stated in Gen 1:1 - 2:3 is exactly what science believes today.
Plants, and then the sun came later. Seems backward.

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Message 15 of 61 (255821)
10-31-2005 3:17 PM
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10-30-2005 11:18 PM


Re: Sequence of events of cration
One further note on the sequence of events stated in Gen 1:1 - 2:3 is exactly what science believes today. First the earth, then vegetation, then animals, and finally man. How would someone in ancient times predict this sequence?
Thats a little simplistic I would think. I'm no expert but I would think science shows vegetation and animals evolving side by side. The hierarchy shown in genesis seems like a sensible one to come up with however. Plants are the foundations of everything, sitting there minding their own business. Animals eat the plants, and humans eat the animals (and the plants). More tellingly I think it displays mans thoughts on the relative 'place' the different forms of life have. Plants being the lowest as they are far from human-like. Animals coming in the middle as they display anthropomorphic qualities, and man at the top as we are meant to be the guardians of the planet etc.

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