Should a Creationist be allowed to hold a position of Authority?

France restricts Christian worship?

That sounds like ANTI-THEIST.... not atheist.I'm not sure how to make you understand why an atheist thinks outlawing religion is silly.......

Answers about AtheismThe fact atheists can do something you consider irrational or silly doesn't change the fact they are atheist. The Soviet communists denied the existence of God. They said belief in a Creator is unscientific and a psychological aberration, not so different than some evos around here I might add.This message has been edited by randman, 02-10-2006 02:07 AM

France absolutely retricts worship. Haven't you heard about how children are not allowed to wear religious symbols to school?In fact, IMO, they take it a bit far. I'm an atheist, but it's a free country; people can believe what they want. Of course some choose to have completely idiotic ideas like "evolution is a lie" and other garbage. But to each their own. There are probably still people out there who believe the earth is flat.

I think they restrict Muslim religious garb because they don't know what to do with the minority Muslin population and think restricting what they wear to school might help them assimilate, but I don't think they restrict worship per se, and some American schools have restricted the wearing of Christian symbols.This message has been edited by randman, 02-10-2006 02:12 AM

I suggest you read the following definition of atheism:Oops! We ran into some problems. | Internet Infidels Discussion BoardIt's very good and describes the different flavors and subtleties.I still maintain that the soviet union was much closer to a theocracy that a atheistic state, but we will just have to agree to disagree. Atheism is one of the most mis-understood terms in the english language. (even half the dictionaries don't get it right)Of course you are simply trying to draw a false correlation between the "bad" soviet union and atheism. The reason the soviet union was "bad" was of course because they were an oligarchical dictatorship.But this is off-topic in any case.

'Doctrine' is a much too strong word to describe my atheism. Allow me to explain:I am an atheist. I am also an avampirist, an awerewolfist, and an amermaidist. I am not going to sum up what other asomethingist tendencies I have, because they are quite numerous. In fact, I cannot even give you an exhaustive list because there are most likely a lot of things other people believe in that I don't know of, but that I would be asomethingist about, had I been informed. And that fact nicely illustrates the nature of my atheism, in that I don't actively believe there are no gods, vampires, werewolves, et cetera, but instead passively - and in many cases unconsciously - lack such beliefs.I would like you to see my atheism as an absence of belief in God, in the same way that it would be absent if I had never been told about God.This message has been edited by Parasomnium, 10-Feb-2006 07:39 PM

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"Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge: it is those who know little, not those who know much, who so positively assert that this or that problem will never be solved by science." - Charles Darwin.

Rand, we've covered this. Nobody that deifies the state can be considered atheist. Equivocation on the term "religious." I may say that I play World of Warcraft "religiously", but that's just an expression of frequency and devotion, not that I imbue a computer game with supernatural powers, as is done in religion, and by the Soviets you refer to.

The Soviets never imbibed the State with supernatural powers. That's completely absurd. They believed the State could be an agent to better mankind, morally as well as economically. Some liberals believe the same thing.They were explicitly atheist. To claim they were not atheist because they "deified the State" is patently absurd. They did not believe the State created the world. Heck, I could say many atheist evos deify evolution, but they are still atheists.YOur problem crash is you don't like to admit when you are wrong. Under the normal definition of atheism, the Soviets were atheists. They were just more strident in their atheism than many American atheists.

I would have thought that, in the few months since we had this argument, you would have come up with new arguments. People in the Soviet Union believed that the state could listen backwards through a normal radio and spy on you. They believed that presenting a parade to a painting of Stalin was the same as Stalin seeing the parade himself. You yourself mentioned that the State was credited with powers of ESP. If mind reading isn't supernatural, what is? We covered this last time. I never said they did. Being the creator of the world is not a requirement for deityhood. You're arguing a strawman. Your problem is that you repeat arguments and ignore rebuttals. I'm honestly disappointed that you weren't able to come up with anything new between then and now. It's like you have argument amnesia or something.

The State was not credited with the powers of ESP. The State researched ESP, as did the CIA, to use for spying purposes. Ever hear of Remote Viewing?In terms of your claim some Russians beleived they could use a radio to spy on people, it could be, if true, that the Soviets sold some radios with bugs in them and did in fact use radios to spy. I wouldn't put it past Stalin. Butregardless, ignorance of a technologuical device hardly qualifies as crediting the state as Creator God.Crash, also, I don't need to come up with anything new as my argument, then and now, thoroughly defeats your claims. The Soviet regime was atheist, believing that atheism is the only scientific position to hold.

And they were credited with having succeeded. So they were credited with those powers. QED. No, just regular radios. Not creator. Just god.

isnt that the same thing? Only Creationists believe in a young earth, so testing to see if some one thinks the earth is old or young IS asking them to state their stance on creationism...

Well, not totally. I believe GOD created the Universe, yet not in the Young Earth.

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Ok, so you do find people who believe in creation by god, who are not slave to the litteral concepts of the bible, but you would be hard pressed to find a person who did believe in a Young Earth who wasnt a Creationist.So Again I say if you want to test for inteligence, test for it, and not exclude anyone on religious grounds...