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Topic: Does Darwinism Equal "No God"?
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pink sasquatch
Member (Idle past 6044 days) Posts: 1567 Joined: 06-10-2004
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Message 211 of 298 (271141)
12-20-2005 2:45 PM
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Reply to: Message 209 by Faith
12-20-2005 11:47 AM
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Re: Stopping the sun
Again, we are talking about the POSITION OF THE BEHOLDER. Right. Like when someone beholds a massive, catastrophic flood and believes it to be global.
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Faith 
Suspended Member (Idle past 1466 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: 10-06-2001
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Re: Stopping the sun
Uh huh, sorry, the sun's standing still left no evidence but the flood did. Too bad for your smugly stupid little comment.
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jar
Member (Idle past 416 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 213 of 298 (271177)
12-20-2005 6:22 PM
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Reply to: Message 212 by Faith
12-20-2005 6:16 PM
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Re: Stopping the sun
Uh huh, sorry, the sun's standing still left no evidence but the flood did. Good. We're in a science thread. Please provide the scientific evidence that supports the flood myth.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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pink sasquatch
Member (Idle past 6044 days) Posts: 1567 Joined: 06-10-2004
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Message 214 of 298 (271181)
12-20-2005 6:37 PM
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Reply to: Message 212 by Faith
12-20-2005 6:16 PM
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Re: Stopping the sun
Uh huh, sorry, the sun's standing still left no evidence but the flood did. Too bad for your smugly stupid little comment. It obviously wasn't a stupid comment, since it proved my point. You personally look at natural evidence when interpreting the Bible. If the Bible contradicts your interpretation of natural evidence, as in the layout of the solar system, you reinterpret the Bible to incorporate the natural evidence.
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Admin
Director Posts: 13018 From: EvC Forum Joined: 06-14-2002 Member Rating: 1.9
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Message 215 of 298 (271183)
12-20-2005 6:40 PM
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Reply to: Message 213 by jar
12-20-2005 6:22 PM
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Re: Stopping the sun
jar writes: Good. We're in a science thread. Please provide the scientific evidence that supports the flood myth. But it would be off-topic.
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Admin
Director Posts: 13018 From: EvC Forum Joined: 06-14-2002 Member Rating: 1.9
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Re: Stopping the sun
pink sasquatch writes: Uh huh, sorry, the sun's standing still left no evidence but the flood did. Too bad for your smugly stupid little comment. It obviously wasn't a stupid comment, since it proved my point. This is off topic. Please start a new thread.
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pink sasquatch
Member (Idle past 6044 days) Posts: 1567 Joined: 06-10-2004
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Message 217 of 298 (271185)
12-20-2005 6:57 PM
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Reply to: Message 216 by Admin
12-20-2005 6:41 PM
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on being off-topic, or not.
This is off topic. Where I was going: I think it is quite on-topic to discuss selective interpretation of Biblical accounts based on what one personally accepts as scientific evidence, whether it be for the theory of Copernicus or Darwin. It does not directly address the Wilson/Watson interview, but it does get to the heart of why certain theories are seen as representative of atheism, and others not - in other words, why some people think that Darwinism Equals "No God", but Copernicusism Equals "Interpret the Bible to Fit the Science". If you think this is still too far afield, I will happily stand down. Thanks.
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Admin
Director Posts: 13018 From: EvC Forum Joined: 06-14-2002 Member Rating: 1.9
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Re: on being off-topic, or not.
I guess there could be different opinions on this, but I see this thread as coming at the "Darwinism => atheism" from the science side. You can come at the same issue from the Biblical side, but it seems out of place given the way this thread started with Charlie Rose's interview of Watson and Wilson as a point of departure. Let me make a few suggestions. You could find an existing thread in which to pick up that angle on the topic, or you could begin a new thread, or if you're willing to wait 24 hours to see if discussion on the original topic resumes, I guess it would be fine to discuss it here if this topic remains dormant. It does seem to possibly be winding down.
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9142 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 3.3
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Message 219 of 298 (271278)
12-21-2005 8:41 AM
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Reply to: Message 190 by Faith
12-19-2005 8:40 PM
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Re: Copernicusism = No God
Faith writes: The Bible is the word of God in all circumstances Which bible? There are many interpretations and translations they can't all be right. Or do you read it in original Hebrew, Greek and Aramaic?
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nator
Member (Idle past 2191 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: 12-09-2001
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Message 220 of 298 (271354)
12-21-2005 11:08 AM
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Reply to: Message 219 by Theodoric
12-21-2005 8:41 AM
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Re: Copernicusism = No God
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Which bible? There are many interpretations and translations they can't all be right. Or do you read it in original Hebrew, Greek and Aramaic?
...and do you use the pre-Council of Nicene books of the Bible or do you leave all of those out and only use the ones they decided were "canonical"?
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9142 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 3.3
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Message 221 of 298 (271375)
12-21-2005 11:33 AM
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Reply to: Message 220 by nator
12-21-2005 11:08 AM
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Re: Copernicusism = No God
Was that to me or Faith? I don't use the bible. I think you raqise a very good question to Faith. The Catholic Church is reponsible for deciding what books were included in the liturgy
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robinrohan
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Message 222 of 298 (271409)
12-21-2005 12:15 PM
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Reply to: Message 202 by Percy
12-20-2005 9:26 AM
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Re: HISTORICALLY YES, Darwinism = No God
Well, I'm glad to hear you don't believe evolution leads to atheism I think it does--not automatically and certainly, of course. One has to turn one's God into a "Hands-off" God at the very least. A hands-off god is one step away from atheism.
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jar
Member (Idle past 416 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Re: HISTORICALLY YES, Darwinism = No God
One has to turn one's God into a "Hands-off" God at the very least. Why?
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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robinrohan
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Message 224 of 298 (271422)
12-21-2005 12:33 PM
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Reply to: Message 223 by jar
12-21-2005 12:18 PM
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Re: HISTORICALLY YES, Darwinism = No God
Why? Your God, Jar, if I understand you correctly, is a God that invented the laws of nature, and after that let things play themselves out by themselves. That's what I mean by "hands-off."
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jar
Member (Idle past 416 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Re: HISTORICALLY YES, Darwinism = No God
But that does not preclude his involvement, miracles, guidance, conversation.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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