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Dan Carroll
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Message 211 of 265 (90270)
03-04-2004 11:49 AM
Reply to: Message 210 by Mammuthus
03-04-2004 11:44 AM


Re: The Numbers So Far
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If we did not talk to you, nobody would.
And how sad would that be? It would be like a little puppy, whimpering outside in the rain, with nobody stopping to pat him on the head!
Well... maybe like David Icke's puppy whimpering outside in the rain. But a sad puppy nonetheless.

"Perhaps you should take your furs and your literal interpretations to the other side of the river."
-Anya

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Syamsu 
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Message 212 of 265 (90274)
03-04-2004 12:08 PM
Reply to: Message 210 by Mammuthus
03-04-2004 11:44 AM


Re: The Numbers So Far
Oh so then you could reference me a thread on this forum where these interesting subjects are meaningfully debated? No? Where's the appraissal saying that the study of ecology is welldeveloped? Don't have it? You see the vulnerability of Darwinism in regards to this issue?
regards,
Mohammad Nor Syamsu

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mark24
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Message 213 of 265 (90277)
03-04-2004 12:25 PM
Reply to: Message 212 by Syamsu
03-04-2004 12:08 PM


Re: The Numbers So Far
Syamsu,
Oh so then you could reference me a thread on this forum where these interesting subjects are meaningfully debated?
How is it possible to have a meaningful debate when anyone who supports their arguments with primary, &/or relevant literature is accused of trickery or lawyering?
Mark

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Mammuthus
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Message 214 of 265 (90278)
03-04-2004 12:25 PM
Reply to: Message 212 by Syamsu
03-04-2004 12:08 PM


Re: The Numbers So Far
quote:
Oh so then you could reference me a thread on this forum where these interesting subjects are meaningfully debated
There are none because YOU have always jumped in and made them into a senseless flame war. You obviously have no intention, capacity, or desire to debate subjects such as eugenics, the science of evolution, the definition of natural selection and its impact on ecology. You are simply a dumbass internet troll.
quote:
Where's the appraissal saying that the study of ecology is welldeveloped
In the books and articles Quetzal and I cited..see what you miss by not reading? There is no excuse for willful ignorance.
quote:
You see the vulnerability of Darwinism in regards to this issue?
If the only challenges to the theory of evolution were to come from poorly edcuated, lazy, unread people like you, it would never get properly scrutinized...fortunately there are thousands of scientists worldwide who do apply themselves to the persuit of knowledge...if you ever read you might know this but you rather feel protected in your self erected shield of ignorance.
[This message has been edited by Mammuthus, 03-04-2004]

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FreeThinker
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Message 215 of 265 (90482)
03-05-2004 9:17 AM
Reply to: Message 9 by Dan Carroll
02-10-2004 10:40 AM


Re: Why don't you all go to talk origins?
That's quite a poor analogy don't you think?
Also, it's typical of thinkers of a certain persuasion not to offer any real arguments or proof but simply to try and belittle someone else.
And it still doesn't prove evolution.
Does it?

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Dan Carroll
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Message 216 of 265 (90496)
03-05-2004 9:59 AM
Reply to: Message 215 by FreeThinker
03-05-2004 9:17 AM


Re: Why don't you all go to talk origins?
quote:
That's quite a poor analogy don't you think?
1) All my analogies are poor. Get used to it.
2) Care to explain why, or are we still playing, "I say it, and that makes it so?"
quote:
Also, it's typical of thinkers of a certain persuasion not to offer any real arguments or proof but simply to try and belittle someone else.
Such as only responding to a point with, "That's quite a poor analogy don't you think?"
quote:
And it still doesn't prove evolution.
Does it?
I'm sorry, where did I even imply that I was trying to prove evolution in this thread?
Oh man, I hope I get used as a new creationist strawman... "Dan Carroll claims to be proving evolution, but all he does is ramble on about Eliza Dushku's boobs! Ms. Dushku's breasts, while impressive, do not constitute proof of evolution..."

"Perhaps you should take your furs and your literal interpretations to the other side of the river."
-Anya

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Syamsu 
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Message 217 of 265 (90790)
03-06-2004 10:18 AM
Reply to: Message 214 by Mammuthus
03-04-2004 12:25 PM


Re: The Numbers So Far
To make references like that without saying how the references support your opinion that the science of ecology / extinction is well developed is against forum rules. To address your opponent talking about ass all the time is against forum rules.
Note that in one of the books cited, Quetzal wrongly stated that Raup says the study of extinction is well developed, and that the study is only underdeveloped in relation to evolution. So you reference some books none of which support your position that the science is well developed, but Quetzal manages to wrongly interpret one book saying the study of extinction is well developed.
You have nothing Mammuthus, is it really so hard to find an appraissal of ecology, or the field of extinction, or are you simply holding back appraissals which don't support you?
regards,
Mohammad Nor Syamsu

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Dan Carroll
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Message 218 of 265 (90979)
03-07-2004 4:58 PM
Reply to: Message 217 by Syamsu
03-06-2004 10:18 AM


Re: The Numbers So Far
quote:
To make references like that without saying how the references support your opinion that the science of ecology / extinction is well developed is against forum rules. To address your opponent talking about ass all the time is against forum rules.
If the moderators are reading... Syamsu wants the forum rules to be enforced! Don't let him down!

"Perhaps you should take your furs and your literal interpretations to the other side of the river."
-Anya

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Mammuthus
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Posts: 3085
From: Munich, Germany
Joined: 08-09-2002


Message 219 of 265 (91089)
03-08-2004 3:20 AM
Reply to: Message 217 by Syamsu
03-06-2004 10:18 AM


Re: The Numbers So Far
quote:
To make references like that without saying how the references support your opinion that the science of ecology / extinction is well developed is against forum rules.
Then stop doing it...particularly referencing things you have not read yourself.
quote:
To address your opponent talking about ass all the time is against forum rules.
If the shoe fits, you know what to do.
quote:
So you reference some books none of which support your position that the science is well developed, but Quetzal manages to wrongly interpret one book saying the study of extinction is well developed.
At least Quetzal read the freaking book..you did not, you are in no position to say whether he was right or wrong because you have your head up your rectum and refuse to educate yourself.
quote:
You have nothing Mammuthus, is it really so hard to find an appraissal of ecology, or the field of extinction, or are you simply holding back appraissals which don't support you?
You ARE nothing..is it really so hard to read the references that have been posted to you over and over and over? Do you really take such pleasure in being an idiot, spouting lies and unsupported assertions merely because of your pride in your ignorance? Get your head out of your butt..do your homework little man and come back when you are able to support your assertions with more than the books you have NEVER even read.

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Syamsu 
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Message 220 of 265 (91125)
03-08-2004 10:12 AM
Reply to: Message 219 by Mammuthus
03-08-2004 3:20 AM


Re: The Numbers So Far
That's just very insulting and not a very worthwhile contribution at all. You're really incredibly dumb to publicly waste away your credibility and authority on an internetforum like you do.
In reading about evo-devo on the web, I just found out you also misrepresented the evo devo issue somewhere early in this thread. You are the classic example of a scientist who simply assumes everything out of his learned mouth is neutral, but unfortunately your writings are loaded with prejudiced selfserving lies. Pathetic, there's no excuse for it.
regards,
Mohammad Nor Syamsu

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Mammuthus
Member (Idle past 6475 days)
Posts: 3085
From: Munich, Germany
Joined: 08-09-2002


Message 221 of 265 (91130)
03-08-2004 11:09 AM
Reply to: Message 220 by Syamsu
03-08-2004 10:12 AM


Re: The Numbers So Far
quote:
You're really incredibly dumb to publicly waste away your credibility and authority on an internetforum like you do.
Fortunately for me then that there are virtually no other scientists here ..
However, it is incredibly stupid of you to make assertions publicly on an internet forum about a subject you yourself admit you have no interest in reading about. Some of your fellow intellectuals in Nganjuk may think you start to believe you are both stupid and dishonest.
quote:
In reading about evo-devo on the web, I just found out you also misrepresented the evo devo issue somewhere early in this thread.
I love these specific accusations...from reading elsewhere on the web I found out that you rape turtles in the Galapagos on your yearly vacation...but I am too lazy and to intellectually dishonest to go and find the site or the thread that supports my blatant assertion after having trained at the Syamsu School for Bad Faith Debating and Dry Cleaning School for Kids Who Don't Read..but it is true anyway...I would point to the place in the thread where you admit this but the dog ate the webpage.
quote:
You are the classic example of a scientist who simply assumes everything out of his learned mouth is neutral, but unfortunately your writings are loaded with prejudiced selfserving lies.
Show me where I have lied...or did your dog eat that page as well?
quote:
Pathetic, there's no excuse for it.
You certainly are pathetic...your apparent excuse is that you are too lazy to read a book...guess that technology has not reached the hole you apparently live in.

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Adminnemooseus
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Message 222 of 265 (91132)
03-08-2004 11:17 AM


It's beyond my mental ability to process this topic. As far as I'm concerned, it's a "Free For All" topic.
Perhaps others of the moderating staff have a better grasp of what's going on here. To them I say "Good luck moderating this thing".
Adminnemooseus

Comments on moderation procedures? - Go to
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too fast closure of threads

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NosyNed
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Message 223 of 265 (91133)
03-08-2004 11:20 AM
Reply to: Message 222 by Adminnemooseus
03-08-2004 11:17 AM


I would suggest that, since it has turned into a bit of a flame war (with more or less creativity in the flames) that it simply be closed.

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Mammuthus
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Posts: 3085
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Message 224 of 265 (91134)
03-08-2004 11:38 AM
Reply to: Message 223 by NosyNed
03-08-2004 11:20 AM


The thread has no chance of producing a productive discussion. This is because the initiator of the thread 1) does not know what he is arguing about 2) has claimed he is not interested or willing to put in the time to learn about it 3) has not read any of the works he thinks support his case and 4) refuses to read anything we claim support our points. Multiple participants on this board in multiple threads have attempted to be reasonable with Syamsu. He has shown that he has no interest in following the forum guidelines but wishes to post the same points over and over. He is no better than an internet troll. Either shut the thread down or leave it open for the rest of us to practice new insults. It will never move beyond this until Sy learns to debate..or learns anything for that matter. After over a year at EvC I have zero expectation that Sy is up to the task.

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MrHambre
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Message 225 of 265 (91135)
03-08-2004 11:56 AM
Reply to: Message 224 by Mammuthus
03-08-2004 11:38 AM


Show us the Love
Here are the high points of this soon-to-be-history thread, coming from the poison pen of its founder. It's quite evident that he intended this to be a probing discussion and not just a regurgitation of half-baked ideas we've all heard a million times. I'm sure everyone involved would like to thank you-know-who for his curiosity, his respect for the opinions and expertise of others, and his ability to comprehend and assimilate new ideas.
Syamsu writes:
Obviously your prattle contributes nothing of intellectual interest, so please go to the unmoderated talk.origins. I'm quite sure your contributions will be much appreciated there, so why not go? (To Dan Carroll. post #48)
Syamsu writes:
Ever read a book? (To Truthlover, post #47)
Syamsu writes:
I consider most of the opinions you gave me as worthless. (To holmes, post #50)
Syamsu writes:
So supposedly this is a serious reply, but of course it's drivel. (To MrJack, post #51)
Syamsu writes:
I must remind myself that the authorititive gibbering many people engage in here is mostly empty posing. (To Mark24, post #89)
Syamsu writes:
I don't clutter things up, it's evolutionists who clutter up threads I post in by giving meaningless, inane and vitriolic responses. (To NosyNed, post #103)
Syamsu writes:
So do my blundering dectractors have anything to say after I showed that the study of extinction is underdeveloped? (To Mammuthus, post #113)
Syamsu writes:
You and Dan have produced nothing worthwile at all in this thread, and now you are pedanticly insulted cause I don't answer your lurid vitriol or halfbaked satire. (To Mammuthus, post #198)
regards,
Esteban "I Read It Somewhere" Hambre

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