Random or just incomplete information?

Hello Prototypical, I believe that at some point in the hierarchy of existence there is a breakdown in physics as we know it. It is not only unknowable, but unbelievable too. It starts sounding ridiculous.

To cut a very long story short, it has been proven that the randomness in quantum mechanics cannot be the result of a lack of information (the same way the randomness in a dice roll can) or missing information about a deeper theory, unless that deeper theory obeys all of the following:(a) Is non-local, that is allows signals to be sent faster than light and back in time. So that the past, present and future of the universe communicate with each other. So every particle is in contact with its own past and future self in addition to the pasts and futures of every other particle.(b) Every particle carries an infinite amount of information (essentially the data concerning the communications above)(c) The world is contextual. That is there is no universal quantities like "Energy", only "Energy in my lab in Singapore given that I ate lunch at 14:05 yesterday", which is a different physical quantity from "Energy in my lab in Singapore given that I ate lunch at 14:06 yesterday".So either the world is genuinely random (i.e. subatomic events have no cause, no physical mechanism which results in their occurrence, so that let us say there is no answer to the question "Why did that atom decay?") or (a),(b) and (c) above are true.(a) comes from Bell's theorem.
(b) from Hardy's ontological excess baggage theorem.
(c) from the Kochen-Specker theorem.

The problem is that non-locality is not even remotely mundane. And on top of that, you still cannot use Bohm's interpretation to predict when a nucleus will decay.I'll agree that we're just shifting around weirdness, but the resulting weirdness from Bohm's interpretation is still right in your face. I don't see any way to say that it is less weird than Copenhagen.

Something the Bohm Interpretation has in common with everything else. I said compared to the Copenhagen Interpretation it's mundane. And it is. Compared to the Copenhagen Interpretation, everything's mundane.

I understood your comparison and I responded to it as you stated it.I suppose this is a matter of opinion. But given the comments about non-locality put forward by Son Goku, I simply cannot see any particular weird-avoidance advantage for the Bohm Interpretation.

What we need is an introduction to quantum pyhysics thread!

Something like the Introduction to Quantum Mechanics. thread perhaps ...Edited by RAZD, : ...

Yeah kinda like that but with more chapters.

yeah, we need a chap ter fill it out a bit

What happened to the unlike button? Now, when I really need it?

Jaysus! We need this one put in deep quarantine!

Ugh.

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If only we could calculate the probability that someone would spontaneously arrive, without motive, and produce such a thing then we could know for certain that we can't be sure.