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jar
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Message 211 of 216 (299332)
03-29-2006 12:14 PM
Reply to: Message 209 by Mammuthus
03-29-2006 4:17 AM


Reasons for the Exclusionary Christian
You mention several good points but I'd like to suggest another component, one that IMHO plays a large part, and that is exclusivity.
The Exclusionary Christians believe they are the Elect, the Chosen, the Winners. They see themselves as an exclusive little group with something no one else has.
They belong to this little club, and no one that is not in the club is saved. They KNOW they are right, everyone else is wrong, they are above and beyond the rules, restrictions and evidence that eveyone else must live under. The club is even smaller and more exclusive because they wilfully exclude not just non-club members, but even any other chapter of the club, or any other individual that they disapprove of. They spend their lives pointing out those other members of the club that are not TRUE club members.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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Faith 
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Message 212 of 216 (299333)
03-29-2006 12:15 PM


You are all right that as long as I don't have the energy or motivation to keep up with the demands for evidence I should leave EvC. May God give me strength to do so.

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mark24
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Message 213 of 216 (299343)
03-29-2006 12:37 PM
Reply to: Message 212 by Faith
03-29-2006 12:15 PM


Faith,
You are all right that as long as I don't have the energy or motivation to keep up with the demands for evidence I should leave EvC. May God give me strength to do so.
Or just keep your nose out of science forums & discussions where evidence is implicitly required, & ad hoc hand waving means nothing, where you can't say "that doesn't count, but that does" despite exactly the same principles being involved. Not without exposing the hypocrisy of your worldview, anyway.
Mark
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There are 10 kinds of people in this world; those that understand binary, & those that don't

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Mammuthus
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Message 214 of 216 (299524)
03-30-2006 2:55 AM
Reply to: Message 210 by lfen
03-29-2006 11:58 AM


Re: Faith's "Crap" reasoning
The nationalism of the Nazis is probably not a bad place to start. There are similarites of the flag waving, unquestioning loyalty, fear of not conforming that existed in Nazi Germany with the fundamentalist mindset. [Note, I am not calling fundamentalists Nazis, just that there are issues of exclusivitiy, unquestioning loyalty, and absolute intolerance of non-conformity that are similar...could use any dictatorship or top down hierarchy as a comparison]
The laziness I am referring to is somewhat different than the type of laziness that we probably all exhibit in one area or another. I am referring to issues that these people supposedly feel passionately about..passionately opposed to...yet do not feel compelled to actually know anything about the issues. That I find relatively unique. Most people tend to be lazy about things they feel neutral to or are just plain not interested in. If you are supposedly interested in something, you tend to want to know all about it.
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Mammuthus
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Message 215 of 216 (299525)
03-30-2006 2:58 AM
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03-29-2006 12:14 PM


Re: Reasons for the Exclusionary Christian
Hi jar,
That is sort of what I was referring to by mentioning the feeling of superiority. But you are right that it is a critical component because it allows the followers to feel included in the group and superior to everyone else without having to defend the notion or support it. Small wonder that they don't encourage learning or questioninng since that would tend to chip away at the facade.

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Mammuthus
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Message 216 of 216 (299526)
03-30-2006 3:00 AM
Reply to: Message 212 by Faith
03-29-2006 12:15 PM


Not leave EvC..just not make absolute statements regarding the nature of science or what evidence exists in support of scientific theories...as mark24 indicated, there are plenty of fora at EvC that do not have the same evidenciary requirements.

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