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Author Topic:   Scientific vs Creationist Frauds and Hoaxes
Panda
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Message 66 of 220 (601891)
01-24-2011 9:06 PM
Reply to: Message 64 by Velky Vezir
01-24-2011 4:09 AM


Velky Vezir writes:
these were brought up as scientific frauds by some creationists in another discussion:
Ignoring whether these are frauds or not, what is the relevance?
Would a few fraudulent scientists disprove science?
Would a few fraudulent preachers disprove religion?
I can find lists of both.
IMHO, it just proves that humans can be dishonest.

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Message 68 of 220 (601946)
01-25-2011 5:39 AM
Reply to: Message 67 by RAZD
01-24-2011 11:50 PM


Re: it's the topic
RAZD writes:
That this is a tread devoted to listing both scientific and creationist frauds. See Message 1.
My bad.
I should have gone to bed and not posted.
(I still stand by my comment, but I can now see that it was off-topic.)
RADZ writes:
And some are dishonest in a way that gets them money or fame.
I often feel that the fame is more important to them than the money (but they do usually want both).

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Message 87 of 220 (636502)
10-07-2011 1:04 AM
Reply to: Message 85 by RAZD
10-06-2011 9:18 PM


Re: Your point is?
Zen Deist writes:
So the fact that Haeckel committed fraud does not alter reality, and the evidence of evolution.
To quote an earlier response from you:
RAZD writes:
...this is a tread devoted to listing both scientific and creationist frauds. See Message 1.
To qualify it only needs to be shown that it was done on purpose: the intent was to deceive.
Portillo is correct to list it as a scientific fraud.
Granted, the fraud has no effect on our current understanding of biological development - but that is not a requirement in this thread.

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Message 109 of 220 (657830)
03-31-2012 6:21 AM
Reply to: Message 106 by Portillo
03-30-2012 11:20 PM


I know you don't ever support your claims, but...
Portillo writes:
Orce man - Found in 1982, Orce man was supposedly a 17 year old male who lived 1.6 million years ago. Later it was discovered to be the fossil of a donkey not a human.
No, it wasn't later discovered to be a donkey.

Tradition and heritage are all dead people's baggage. Stop carrying it!

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Message 151 of 220 (662290)
05-14-2012 1:37 PM
Reply to: Message 150 by ScottyDouglas
05-14-2012 1:23 PM


Re: Fossils
ScottyDouglas writes:
It is quite easy to have a theory be assumed true when it can and does change to accept new evidence.
All scientific theories are like that.
ScottyDouglas writes:
If a theory can change and accept any evidence then it does not mean its true.
All scientific theories are like that.
ScottyDouglas writes:
That is nothing more than changeable theory to fit within the facts.
All scientific theories are like that.
ScottyDouglas writes:
Furthermore if evolution as exstintsive as you suggest not only should be view by all as fact.
Not even the Earth being spherical is viewed by all as a fact.
*shrug*
There's not much that can be done about deluded idiots.
ScottyDouglas writes:
Two comepletely different ideas of science and truth.
Correct.
Science does not deal with truth.
It deals with the best explanations for know facts.
Have you only just learned this?

Tradition and heritage are all dead people's baggage. Stop carrying it!

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