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Author Topic:   Scientific vs Creationist Frauds and Hoaxes
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Message 211 of 220 (735850)
08-26-2014 8:59 PM
Reply to: Message 207 by Coyote
08-24-2014 12:41 AM

Re: Creationist's hoaxes and frauds
As for Piltdown, that was a hoax perpetrated on British anthropologists by someone intimately familiar with them and their theories. Piltdown was widely ignored by almost all but a small bunch of British researchers--the hoax had been designed to catch them. Some researchers working in other areas recognized early on that Piltdown didn't fit. Friedrichs and Weidenreich had both, by about 1932, published their research suggesting the lower jaws and molars were that of an orang (they were correct). In fact, Piltdown was largely ignored from the mid-1920s, when the South African finds started coming because it simply did not fit.
It may amuse you to know that Charles Dawson reported having seen a sea serpent from a ship in the English Channel on Good Friday 1906 (J.E. Walsh, 'Unravelling Piltdown', The Softback Preview, (1997), p. 195-6). Nobody believed him at the time, and even creationists who believe in living plesiosaurs have been curiously unwilling to use this supposed sighting as evidence. Still, it may shed some light on Dawson's character, and on the origins of the Piltdown hoax.
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Message 212 of 220 (735851)
08-26-2014 9:11 PM
Reply to: Message 204 by mram10
08-23-2014 6:08 PM

Nebraska man and piltdown man weren't a hoax??? How long were they taught in schools to be "science"?? How long were they still being taught after they were proven to be false?
Piltdown man was exposed as a fake thirteen months after I started school. In those 13 months, so far as I can remember, I wasn't taught anything about Piltdown man, or about evolution. In fact, religious education took up more of my primary school time than any other single subject. By the time I was old enough to choose science books from the local library, in the late 1950s, Piltdown was being described as an undoubted fake, and being laid at Charles Dawson's door. Since 1953, I have never seen anybody attempt to make out that Piltdown was genuine.
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