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Spektical Member (Idle past 5998 days) Posts: 119 Joined: |
I don't understand where this 6000 years ago came from. There is no reference whatsoever in the bible that 'proves' this claim.
Edit: My opinion and the truth is that the bible does not specify a numerical chronology of the history of the world. Therefore there is no basis for the argument that the world was created 6k years ago. Taking this obvious fallacy or falsehood into consideration, how do christians and/or creationists justify their beliefs? Edit #2: My contention is that the bible is a fictional collection of writings that was written to invoke myth and help humans evolve their communication skills. Edited by Spektical, : No reason given. Edited by Spektical, : No reason given.
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AdminPhat Inactive Member |
What is your position on this? Do you believe that the Bible contains truth? Your original post needs to have your point of view as well as your question. Please edit this topic and make a better opening post, and then I will consider promoting it.
You may also take your argument here and get feedback from other administrators. Usually, we leave topic promotion to the first administrator that responds, unless that administrator invites others to comment. ************************************ "DO UNTO OTHERS AS YOU WOULD HAVE THEM DO UNTO YOU" AdminPhat
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AdminModulous Administrator Posts: 897 Joined: |
If this is just a question then some insight might be found here, if this is a debate you will need to present criticism for these chronologies.
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Spektical Member (Idle past 5998 days) Posts: 119 Joined: |
That information is the most bogus thing I have ever read. Are you actually telling me that humans lived for 100's of years? What scientific evidence is there to support this, IF we consider that a year back then is actually the same 365 days we attribute to it today?
The whole OT reeks of mythology ie. methodology used in writing myths.
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AdminPhat Inactive Member |
Thread moved here from the Proposed New Topics forum.
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Phat Member Posts: 18299 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Spektical writes: My opinion and the truth is that the bible does not specify a numerical chronology of the history of the world. Therefore there is no basis for the argument that the world was created 6k years ago. Taking this obvious fallacy or falsehood into consideration, how do Christians and/or creationists justify their beliefs? Not all who consider themselves creationists believe in the YEC 6000 year myth. Additionally, some folks take the Bible as a collection of myths and stories while other folks think that the book is more symbolic and chock full of parables. Just because someone calls themselves a "creationist" does not mean that they are clueless about science. While biological evolution is quite well established as the most plausible method through which life on earth came to be, A Creator still makes more sense cosmologically and for all intents and purposes practically. (IMHO ) Perhaps the argument/debate should focus on whether or not a Creator could exist in a way not fully understood by we humans...or perhaps we can conclude that absence of evidence equates to evidence of absence. My point is that evolution and creationism can in some respects be simultaneously true----only that creationism is a belief.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 306 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
I don't understand where this 6000 years ago came from. There is no reference whatsoever in the bible ... No, but you can figure it out from the Bible:
Biblical Chronology
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Spektical Member (Idle past 5998 days) Posts: 119 Joined: |
Ok I'm not going to go into the extrapolation of biblical chronology. Rather I'm going to ask where do believers make the distinction between what parts of the bible to take literally and what parts not to, and why?
Also, no-one has answered my question about the ridiculously long lifespans of such biblical figures as Adam, Methuselah etc.
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jar Member (Idle past 415 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Rather I'm going to ask where do believers make the distinction between what parts of the bible to take literally and what parts not to, and why? That is a good question but irrelevant to this topic. Maybe you would like to start a thread on it or take it to one of the existing threads.
Also, no-one has answered my question about the ridiculously long lifespans of such biblical figures as Adam, Methuselah etc. Why would those examples be any different than any other miraculous event such as parting the Red Sea? Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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Spektical Member (Idle past 5998 days) Posts: 119 Joined: |
I certainly agree...and I shall take that question to a new topic Thx.
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Modulous Member Posts: 7801 From: Manchester, UK Joined: |
What scientific evidence is there to support this, IF we consider that a year back then is actually the same 365 days we attribute to it today? Who said anything about science? You asked about Biblical support.
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Spektical Member (Idle past 5998 days) Posts: 119 Joined: |
Who said anything about science? You asked about Biblical support.
That's right and there is no biblical support. The link you posted was a scientific one!!
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Brian Member (Idle past 4980 days) Posts: 4659 From: Scotland Joined: |
I don't understand where this 6000 years ago came from. There is no reference whatsoever in the bible that 'proves' this claim. Well there is a way to get this figure from the Bible, but you need to do some work. Basically, you start with Adam and, by using the genealogical information you arrive at a time span of 4004 years from Adam to Jesus, then add on the 2007 years since Jesus was born (yes I know they got the wrong date), then you essentially have a creation of the universe around 6000 years ago. The guy you want to look up is Bishop Ussher, he arrived at the creation date of 4004 BC. There's some info here http://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/ussher.htm
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
Brian writes: Well there is a way to get this figure from the Bible, but you need to do some work. Basically, you start with Adam and, by using the genealogical information you arrive at a time span of 4004 years from Adam to Jesus, then add on the 2007 years since Jesus was born (yes I know they got the wrong date), then you essentially have a creation of the universe around 6000 years ago. The guy you want to look up is Bishop Ussher, he arrived at the creation date of 4004 BC. There's some info here http://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/ussher.htm This only applies to a 24 hour day requiring a sun & moon so all the Ussher date applies to is the age of animals and man. Everything else was created before the 24 hour day, so no the Bible does not support a 6000 year planet earth. Nor does it support a 6000 year sun & moon. Nor does it support 6000 year plants. The Bible does not designate the length of the days before day 5 after the sun and moon were created. BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The immeasurable present is forever consuming the eternal future and extending the infinite past.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17825 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2 |
Not true. The day-night cycle is established at the start of day one (Genesis 1:3-5). There is nothing stating nor implying that the day length is anything different from the current 24 hours.
And of course, scientifically, the length of day is determined by the rotation of the Earth - not the sun or the moon.
quote: It doesn't designate the length of time for days 5, 6 or 7 either. But you have no problem assuming that they are 24 hours. Where does it say that the length of the days changed ? Where does it say that the lengths of days 1 to 4 was anything other than 24 hours ? Where does it say that the length of days 1-4 were any different from days 5-7 ? Nowhere.
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