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Winston Smith Asriel Inactive Member |
I need help fer a project at schoo... so i was wondering if the creationists out there could give me a BASIC synopsis of what Creationists believe.
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peanutbean6111 Inactive Member |
Creationists simply believe that God created the universe. Go to a local church and maybe an interview with the pastor will assist you. The truth is that God really did create the Earth and everthing in it in 6 days, and on the 7th day, he rested. Simply reading Genesis 1 and 2, (preferably in the New Living Translation) will give you an overview of what Christians and millions more belive.
Christ lives!Brianna "A evolutionist a blind man in a dark room looking for a black cat which isn't there."
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peanutbean6111 Inactive Member |
Creationists simply believe that God created the universe. Go to a local church and maybe an interview with the pastor will assist you. The truth is that God really did create the Earth and everthing in it in 6 days, and on the 7th day, he rested. Simply reading Genesis 1 and 2, (preferably in the New Living Translation) will give you an overview of what Christians and millions more belive.
Christ lives!Brianna "A evolutionist a blind man in a dark room looking for a black cat which isn't there."
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1727 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
The truth is that God really did create the Earth and everthing in it in 6 days, and on the 7th day, he rested. Simply reading Genesis 1 and 2, (preferably in the New Living Translation) will give you an overview of what Christians and millions more belive. Not all Christians believe this. Anyway, the truth actually is that the Earth and all life on it, including us, came about as a result of entirely natural processes without the intervention of gods, which may or may not exist. Ok, now that we're done making empty assertions, do you want to actually present evidence for your view? Cuz there's plenty for mine. Also by what mechanism do you determine the "best" bible translation? I prefer the KJV, but my church is all up into the NIV...
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truthlover Member (Idle past 4320 days) Posts: 1548 From: Selmer, TN Joined: |
quote: I think your best bet for a basic synopsis of what Creationists believe is an official organization like the Creation Research Society or the Institute for Creation Research, not an evolution/creation forum. CRS has a short statement of faith at The page you were looking for doesn't exist (404). Its main two points on creation are:
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quote: People like this are called Young Earth Creationists generally, and they believe the earth was created in a literal week (with the Sun and moon created on the 4th day, so there were three days without a sun and moon), and that Noah's flood laid the geologic column and sorted all the fossils into it. How it is supposed to have sorted the fossils vary depending on whom you're reading, but none of the sorting methods work very well. Old earth creationists include theistic evolutionists, who basically believe what any other evolutionist believes, except they believe God was the source of evolution, and old earth creationists who might believe that the days of Genesis one are really ages and God created life in a series of creations, rather than life evolving, or they might believe that God created man in particular and everything else evolved. Old earth creationists really vary in their beliefs. I hope that's basic enough.
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NosyNed Member Posts: 9012 From: Canada Joined: |
Now, it might be useful to extend the definition to creation "scientists".
These seem to be the Christian creationists (perhaps especially of the YEC sort) that don't have enough pure faith in what they are supposed to believe. They need to have some "scientific" proof of their beliefs. These are the ones who keep trying to both conjure up evidence for their ideas and, mostly, keep trying to take potshots at scientific results and ideas. These are the ones who want creation "science" taught in science class rooms and go to pretty well any length to make their points. This includes dishonesty.
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Philip Member (Idle past 4983 days) Posts: 656 From: Albertville, AL, USA Joined: |
Winston,
About half of these folks responding here are Evos (the last time I conversed with them). Forum rules allow all to interject despite your plea for Creationists responses. (I apologize in advance for the typos) While Truthlover cited excellent references, he himself I believe has leaned into the Evo camp, fully convinced that young earth creationism is not supported by the data. Likewise Crashfrog, while preferring the KJV, has placed the word "god" out of its Proper case, which the KJV does not do except when referring to idol-gods. I'm a YEC/OEC (young earth creationist/old earth creationist), if there be such a thing, but a creationist and physician (podiatrist). Many OECs are theistic Evo's and may or may not fall into the creationist camp. Truth-lover and Percy might have more to say on that. But the forum's biggest battles always seem waged by evangelical-YECs vs. atheistic-Evos. As a YEC (in orbital time), here's some of what I believe. Note, I reserve the right to change my speculations ad-hoc at anytime: 1) In the beginning God ... (according to the scriptures) 2) Light is the first appearing cosmic excellency (good) 3) Primal "evenings and mornings" may or may not have been measured by God in orbital time (24-hour periods may be arbitrary before day 4 at least) 4) God's Word employed and employs metaphysical idioms that somehow have become our empirical and metaphysical cosmos. 5) God's Word is the beginning and end of all science as we know it, especially those sciences that deal with light directly and indirectly. 6) God made all life-forms SANS raw mutational evolution. 7) Raw mutations (mutations outside mere genetic variation) can NEVER occur that are beneficial to any life form. 8) Scientists have never witnessed nor ever will see a beneficial raw mutation. 9) All creatures are peaked in their complexity, having miraculously survived to a great extent the last 6 thousand years or so, albeit mutationally devolving. 10) The whole cosmos/creation is undergoing sure and certain destruction, curse, pain, misery, vanity, vexation, judgement, hell-fire, and outer-darkness. 11) Redemptive observations (excellencies) persist in the cosmos on all levels that inspire scientific hope in men. 12) A science of Christ-crucified-risen is the cornerstone of all practical sciences, especially the biological sciences. 13) A Satanic force permeates Evo cites (like talk-origins archives) and most 'wise' scientific men per se, an evil force that curiously spins out "scientific theories" out of mere dogmatic speculations and pretenses. 14) Based on the data (physical and metaphysical), most creationists (and myself) believe that the Adamic curse will one day be lifted. This cursed decaying creation will become physically and metaphysically redeemed and restored into an utterly new creation, as per fundamentalist biblical perspectives (which any evangelical pastor can expound upon). 15) You and I were created (by an angry God) in a state of desperate and cursed sin. That is, you and I desperately sin on all levels until we die and/or undergo redemptive re-creation and salvation. 16) The angry God that created us (e.g., to be damned) will redeem many persons by a merciful Christ who will never leave or forsake His elect believers, due to His own damnation/curse in their stead and His own resurrection on these His creatures' behalf, in order to pacify the Creator's anger. 17) The Genesis creation is despised by the devil because his irrevocable curse is spelled out in Chapter 3 (vs. 15) under the seed of the deceived woman (Eve). The same devil has used evolutionism to destroy personal faith in redemptive salvation. Of course there are many other things YEC's believe that they love to talk about, including the Gospel that I meagerly described. (Thanks for your time, God-speed in Christ) Philip
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1727 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
But the forum's biggest battles always seem waged by evangelical-YECs vs. atheistic-Evos. This is almost certainly because these two positions are the least alike. They represent the most dramatic conflict between two ways of approaching the acquisition of information about reality.
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Karl Inactive Member |
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Ah. The God who holds His nose whilst letting us smelly nasty creatures in owing to having been double bluffed by Christ's legal technicality? Interesting. I rather prefer the loving God revealed through Our Lord Jesus Christ who, last time I checked, was Himself God. Never mind eh? Another thread.
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Brian Member (Idle past 5220 days) Posts: 4659 From: Scotland Joined: |
Hi, here is the true account of creation.
BABYLONIAN CREATIONFrom the Enuma Elish, 2050-1750 BC Before anything had a name, before there was firm ground or sky or the sun and moon there was Apsu, the sweet water sea and Tiamat, the salt water sea. When these two seas mingled, they created the gods Lahmu and Lahamu, who rose from the silt at the edge of the water. When Lahmu and Lahamu joined, they created the great gods Anshar, Kishar and Anu. From this generation of gods there arose mighty Ea and his many brothers. Ea and his brothers were restless - they surged over the waters day and night. Neither Apsu nor Tiamat could get any rest. They tried to plead with the gods to tread softly, but powerful Ea didn’t hear them. Apsu decided the only way to have some peace was to destroy Ea and his brothers. He began to plot their demise with some of the first generation gods. But Ea heard of their plans and struck him down first. This began a war among the gods. Tiamat was furious that her mate was killed, and she began producing great and ferocious monsters to slay Ea and his brothers. She created poisonous dragons and demons and serpents. She created the Viper, the Sphinx, the Lion, the Mad Dog and Scorpion Man. The chief of them all was called Kingu. He led the army of Tiamat’s monsters into heaven against Ea and his brothers to avenge Apsu’s death. While Tiamat fashioned her army, Ea and the goddess Damkina created the great god Marduk. Marduk was the most powerful creation ever. He towered over the others. He had four eyes and four ears and could see and hear everything in creation. His eyes flashed with lightning and when he spoke he breathed fire. He was fearless and radiant. The gods cowered before him. You are the Great Sun! they cried. Ea and the gods told him of the advancing army. They needed his help to defeat them. I will fight for you but after the war is over I shall rule the universe on high! The gods agreed. Marduk made ready for battle. He gathered the four winds to clear the path to Tiamat. Marduk burst out of the sky in his flaming chariot pulled by his team Killer, Crusher, Unyielder and Fleet. He held the royal scepter and ring, covered in golden armor. He rode into battle bearing his bow and arrows and a mighty thunderbolt. Marduk was glorious to behold. He struck fear in the hearts of all of Tiamat’s brood. The sea waters of Tiamat swirled together and formed a vast and fearsome dragon. She opened her mouth wide to scream. Before she could utter a word, Marduk cast a hurricane into her mouth. She swallowed it and the hurricane almost burst her apart from the inside. Before she could cast a single spell, Marduk let one of his arrows fly; it cut her neatly in half. Tiamat’s monsters trembled as she died. Marduk raised half of her body to the heavens to form the sky and the other half formed the earth. Marduk was victorious, and now the undisputed king of the universe. No one ever questioned his rule. He created the days of the year, the planets and their paths in the heavens, the stars and their constellations and the moon and her moods. He became the sun and gave all the gods their responsibilities. After a time he decided to create a creature that could serve the gods and bear the burden of hard work looking after the earth. Marduk first created a structure from bone, left over from the bones of the dead monsters from the war. Then he formed the flesh around it and breathed life into it. Man was given his name. He took up residence on the earth while the gods ascended to heaven. Thus the gods were freed from eternal labour. There you have it, a good Flash Animation of this can be found here: http://www.mythicjourneys.org/...glish/2_babylonian_full.htm This is one that I have used in a classroom a few times and is a good example of how the ancient creative mind worked. Have fun. Brian
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nator Member (Idle past 2430 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: I dunno. I think that the Fundies vs. Anyone Science-Minded produces the biggest debates.
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Andya Primanda Inactive Member |
quote: Assuming that each species were independently created, and no beneficial mutations allowed, would that mean that we're all created just to suffer genetic decay and become extinct? Anyway, what do you mean by 'mutations outside mere genetic variation'?
quote: Your God has an intresting personality... creating humans just to be damned.
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joz Inactive Member |
15) You and I were created (by an angry God) in a state of desperate and cursed sin. That is, you and I desperately sin on all levels until we die and/or undergo redemptive re-creation and salvation. Just a quick aside, Fundies all seem to believe that we can do naught but wrong.... Anyone else think that this depressing picture of humanity is caused by projecting what they know of themselves onto the rest of us e.g I am human, I am a base, degenerate, amoral wretch ergo all humans are base degenerate, amoral wretches.... The logical flaw should be obvious..... IOW fundies think all people are sinfull pond scum because they are themselves essentially on that moral level without the object of their zeal.....
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zephyr Member (Idle past 4811 days) Posts: 821 From: FOB Taji, Iraq Joined: |
quote:Well, when you're taught to view everything good in yourself as coming from God and everything contemptible as your fallen human nature, that's the natural conclusion. They don't often consider that a religious association may simply bring out the best in you, or give you more opportunities to do good for others where the desire already exists, or make you feel happier simply because you belong. Those ideas never crossed my mind until recently.
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joz Inactive Member |
Likewise Crashfrog, while preferring the KJV, has placed the word "god" out of its Proper case, which the KJV does not do except when referring to idol-gods. Lets see what Crash actually wrote....
...came about as a result of entirely natural processes without the intervention of gods, which may or may not exist. No bud he wrote "gods" not "god", note the s on the end, and "gods" is correct, "Gods" would not be......
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