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Author Topic:   Most convincing evidence for creation theory
Dr Adequate
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Message 241 of 307 (412780)
07-26-2007 9:24 AM
Reply to: Message 225 by Cold Foreign Object
07-25-2007 9:34 PM


Re: The Two Different Designs
This second method or explanation does not correspond to living organisms - organisms which command the intellect of our brightest scientists to explain. Logically, Divine intelligence crafted said objects since it takes many persons with Ph.D.s to figure them out ...
(1) Er, "logically"?
(2) You do know what conclusion all those "persons with Ph.D.s", our "brightest scientists" came to, yes?
Hint: it starts with evo- and ends with -lution.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 242 of 307 (412781)
07-26-2007 9:29 AM
Reply to: Message 227 by Cold Foreign Object
07-25-2007 10:34 PM


Re: Ray adds more logical fallacies to his list ...
Again, once design is validated as real then God is proven to exist.
Once it has been validated.
Special creation has always been true, RAZD. Common ancestry is falsified on so many lines of evidence it is ridiculous. Nested heirarchies do not even exist. When the data is examined, it does not support the claims.
Of course, you don't produce this "data", or these "many lines of evidence" 'cos you made this up.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 243 of 307 (412783)
07-26-2007 9:43 AM
Reply to: Message 166 by Cold Foreign Object
07-24-2007 2:19 PM


Re: Best Positive Evidence
Whence sayest the evolutionist, "our theory says nothing about God"?
It's this habit we have called "telling the truth".
And I think you mean "wherefore".
Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.

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Message 244 of 307 (412818)
07-26-2007 11:53 AM
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07-26-2007 12:58 AM


Re: Summary to date ... what there is ...
Source for one of many creation myths.
Nevertheless the topic is "Evidence" not claims - you are confusing claims with evidence.
We already know Atheist ideology and philosophy believes the Bible to not be evidence, what is your point?
Ray

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Message 245 of 307 (412822)
07-26-2007 11:57 AM
Reply to: Message 234 by Nuggin
07-26-2007 3:48 AM


Re: Summary to date ... what there is ...
I will happily address evidence, when I see some. As of yet, you've presented no evidence.
In other words, you refuse to scroll back and address the posts where the evidence is listed, or you have and decided that you cannot refute which explains the "what evidence?" card that you are playing.
Ray
Edited by Cold Foreign Object, : No reason given.

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Straggler
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Message 246 of 307 (412823)
07-26-2007 11:57 AM
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07-26-2007 11:53 AM


Re: Summary to date ... what there is ...
We already know Atheist ideology and philosophy believes the Bible to not be evidence, what is your point?
It is not about atheism it is about standards of evidence.
You need to explain why the bible is any more credible than any other written human account and why it should compare with physical evidence in terms of reliability and objectivity.

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Message 247 of 307 (412827)
07-26-2007 12:04 PM
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07-26-2007 3:48 AM


Re: Summary to date ... what there is ...
54% of Americans believe in UFOS.
However, belief in UFOs contradicts a belief in Biblical Creation. And while it's mathematically possible that these two groups do not over lap, I'm willing to bet there's a hefty group that believes in both.
UFO phenomena presents no conflict with Biblical creation. At least 40 percent of American Christians accept human evolution which does contradict Biblical creation.
Ray

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Message 248 of 307 (412829)
07-26-2007 12:13 PM
Reply to: Message 243 by Dr Adequate
07-26-2007 9:43 AM


Re: Best Positive Evidence
It's this habit we have called "telling the truth".
It is not a matter of opinion: ToE says God does not exist in reality. This is the most undisputed claim of your theory. If Darwinists would brazenly lie about this fundamental claim then just think what they do with complicated scientific evidence?
Ray

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Brian
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Message 249 of 307 (412832)
07-26-2007 12:20 PM
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07-26-2007 12:13 PM


Re: Best Positive Evidence
Do you have good evidence that 5000 years ago people could live to almost a thousand years of age?
Brian.

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Message 250 of 307 (412834)
07-26-2007 12:22 PM
Reply to: Message 246 by Straggler
07-26-2007 11:57 AM


Re: What is your point?
It is not about atheism it is about standards of evidence.
Now you have baited and switched from denying the Bible to be evidence to an unstated standard of evidence that undoubtedly excludes the Bible as evidence - correct? If true, again: we know Atheists deny the Bible to be evidence, please tell us your point?
You need to explain why the bible is any more credible than any other written human account and why it should compare with physical evidence in terms of reliability and objectivity.
"Question" presupposes the Bible to not be credible, and it presupposes physical evidence superior, and it presupposes the Bible to not be reliable and objective.
Again, we already know Atheists believe the Bible to not be credible, unreliable, non-objective and inferior to physical evidence, what is your point?
Ray

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Message 251 of 307 (412835)
07-26-2007 12:35 PM
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07-26-2007 12:20 PM


Re: Best Positive Evidence
Do you have good evidence that 5000 years ago people could live to almost a thousand years of age?
Yes, are you familiar with the book of Genesis?
The various books of the Bible were written to record facts and knowledge that would otherwise be lost to mankind due to time, weather and adverse conditions. Much like the long list of 155 Palestinian cities engraved at Karnak by Sosenk that have never been identified.
Ray

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Brian
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Message 252 of 307 (412836)
07-26-2007 12:42 PM
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07-26-2007 12:35 PM


Re: Best Positive Evidence
Yes, are you familiar with the book of Genesis?
I am familiar with it yes. Do you have any evidence to support the claim in the Book of Genesis that people could live to nearly one thousand years of age?
To save the dance, what external evidence do you have that the Book of Genesis is correct here.
That there's 155 unidentified Palestinian cities engraved on my ass has nothing to do with what I asked.
Brian.

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Coragyps
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Message 253 of 307 (412838)
07-26-2007 12:44 PM
Reply to: Message 220 by Cold Foreign Object
07-25-2007 6:02 PM


Re: Summary to date ... what there is ...
Since 45 percent of all Americans, according to polling data are Creationists, this fact means tens of millions of persons see reality as I just described; therefore, the main scientific evidence for Creationism is observational reality.
And since 29% of all Americans, according to polling data, think that the sun revolves around the earth..........
??

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Message 254 of 307 (412840)
07-26-2007 12:49 PM
Reply to: Message 240 by RAZD
07-26-2007 8:44 AM


Re: The problem with the creationist evidence
Exactly, it is almost like creationists don't really understand what "evidence" is. Interpretations of things (especially when based on faulty logic) is not evidence.
This comment says that evidence is only given status as evidence when it supports ToE. This is straightforward faulty circular logic and biased unobjective reasoning. Could we expect anything else from the keyboard of an evolutionist?
Creationists already know that Atheists deny Creationism to have any evidence which leaves us wondering as to what is RAZD's point?
Ray

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Message 255 of 307 (412843)
07-26-2007 12:59 PM
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07-26-2007 12:42 PM


Re: Best Positive Evidence
To save the dance, what external evidence do you have that the Book of Genesis is correct here.
That there's 155 unidentified Palestinian cities engraved on my ass has nothing to do with what I asked.
There is external evidence that corroborates but I am not "fluent" in presenting it. We know there was a canopy over the Earth which shielded harmful sun rays and enabled ancient men to live very long. But my point in the other post was that, like Karnak, the recording of information is so that it is not lost. We know that at least 17 out of 155 cities have been identified. Nobody would doubt the existence of the others, why would anyone doubt Genesis based on the same formula?
Ray

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