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Author Topic:   Hubble Constant (H0) fixed to light speed c and calculated as 71 km/s/Mpc
David Hine 
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Message 361 of 438 (924216)
10-16-2025 2:04 PM
Reply to: Message 360 by nwr
10-16-2025 9:06 AM


Re: Collectice herd stupidity
Clucks. "Collective stupidity" describes your response(s). Next you will be saying chemistry equations will also need to be mutilated. My equations in old shcool algebra format not only works beautifully, but also looks beautiful.
How about having 2MC/Pi^21 = 71Ho displayed on your T shirt? Beautiful. Simples.

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Message 362 of 438 (924217)
10-16-2025 4:00 PM
Reply to: Message 361 by David Hine
10-16-2025 2:04 PM


Re: Collectice herd stupidity
So just another deflect not actually dealing with the math involved. Again, what do you hope to accomplish here?
You can't at all ever, not once specifically respond to questions you've been asked, you berate others when you simply don't seem to have the skills to answer those questions.
So once the admin takes their roll, you've accomplished nothing, so what is the point of you being here? Seeing as any challenge to your math has simply been avoided by you? Like a coward.
What do you hope to accomplish? Because right now you're steering towards failure. If that's your goal, great, you got it, but what else can you bring to the table?
Your legacy here is basically just people with better math skills trying to get some answers, so if you continue on this path, you'll just end up in obscurity.
What kind of victory do you feel you get from that? You convinced no-one here. What is the point of this endeavor?

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David Hine 
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Message 363 of 438 (924218)
10-16-2025 4:47 PM
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10-16-2025 4:00 PM


Re: Collectice herd stupidity
Cluck. My equation for linking Ho to C is a HUGE breakthrough in theoretical cosmology. There is nothing unusual about the historic algebra system I use. as widely used before the 1960's. it was the standard maths system used after the previous Roman numeral system. It was found a tad difficult to do algebra in Roman, so a system designed around 1 to 10 numerals came into use. Used by Maxwell and Einstein, this method worked well. Einstein did not or would want to use the crazy SI system of today, where basic errors (either accidental or made by cheating) occur, often going unnoticed. Simples.

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Message 364 of 438 (924219)
10-16-2025 5:29 PM
Reply to: Message 363 by David Hine
10-16-2025 4:47 PM


Re: Collectice herd stupidity
David Hine writes:
My equation for linking Ho to C is a HUGE breakthrough in theoretical cosmology.
So why are you here arguing the toss on an obscure little forum? Why haven't you published this breakthrough properly? Why are you making the world wait?

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Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
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David Hine 
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Message 365 of 438 (924220)
10-16-2025 5:34 PM
Reply to: Message 364 by Tangle
10-16-2025 5:29 PM


Re: Collectice herd stupidity
Cluck. I'm bored with you. So I will also become a recluse like "Percy the Parrot". Simples

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Tangle
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Message 366 of 438 (924221)
10-16-2025 9:41 PM
Reply to: Message 365 by David Hine
10-16-2025 5:34 PM


Re: Collectice herd stupidity
Does running away from answering questions ever work for you? Has it ever convinced anybody?

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"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 367 of 438 (924222)
10-16-2025 11:49 PM
Reply to: Message 366 by Tangle
10-16-2025 9:41 PM


Re: Collectice herd stupidity
Does running away from answering questions ever work for you?
I'm not sure he knows any better. He's a lying priest and has been running away from reality since the thoughts of gods first poisoned his mind.
This is the tragedy of religion in humanity. It has destroyed so many souls.

"There’s simply no polite way to tell people they’ve dedicated their lives to an illusion,”
-Daniel Dennett
One of man’s greatest achievements was to reach out his mind and teach sand to think.
Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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dwise1
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Message 368 of 438 (924223)
10-17-2025 12:59 AM
Reply to: Message 366 by Tangle
10-16-2025 9:41 PM


Re: Collectice herd stupidity
Does running away from answering questions ever work for you?
Always. Posting this again (Message 104):
dwise1 writes:
From my quotes page:
quote:
Scott D. Weitzenhoffer from his amazon.com review of Eugenie Scotts’ book Evolution Vs. Creationism: An introduction (2004):
"Debating creationists on the topic of evolution is rather like trying to play chess with a pigeon; it knocks the pieces over, craps on the board, and flies back to its flock to claim victory."

And yet again my reposting of a Quora post describing that such postings are not intended to convince anyone except for the poster who uses his hateful conduct to stir up animosity towards him so that he can reinforce his fantasy that we hate his message when the actual fact is that we hate stupid assholes like him.
My Message 301:
That means that they don't care about the evidence, they don't care about the truth, and they don't even want to convince us about anything. All they care about is convincing themselves and keeping themselves convinced.
I've posted this before from Quora, but it's been a year so here it is again:
quote:
Why do people get angry when I try to share the word of God with them? I only do it because I care about them deeply and don't want them to end up in hell. I feel like some people avoid me because of this. Is there any way to get through to them?
by Doug Robertson, studied at University of Maine
Updated Dec 11 2018
The entire process is not what you think it is.
It is specifically designed to be uncomfortable for the other person because it isn't about converting them to your religion. It is about manipulating you so you can't leave yours.
If this tactic was about converting people it would be considered a horrible failure. It recruits almost no one who isn't already willing to join. Bake sales are more effective recruiting tools.
On the other hand, it is extremely effective at creating a deep tribal feeling among its own members.
The rejection they receive is actually more important than the few people they convert. It causes them to feel a level of discomfort around the people they attempt to talk to. These become the "others". These uncomfortable feelings go away when they come back to their congregation, the "Tribe".
If you take a good look at the process it becomes fairly clear. In most cases, the religious person starts out from their own group, who is encouraging and supportive. They are then sent out into the harsh world where people repeatedly reject them. Mainly because they are trained to be so annoying.
These brave witnesses then return from the cruel world to their congregation where they are treated like returning heroes. They are now safe. They bond as they share their experiences of reaching out to the godless people to bring them the truth. They share the otherness they experience.
Once again they will learn that the only place they are accepted is with the people who think as they do. It isn't safe to leave the group. The world is your enemy, but we love you.
This is a pain reward cycle that is a common brainwashing technique. The participants become more and more reliant on the "Tribe" because they know that "others" reject them.
Mix in some ritualized chanting, possibly a bit of monotonous repetition of instructions, add a dash of fear of judgment by an unseen, but all-powerful entity who loves you if you do as you are told and you get a pretty powerful mix.
Sorry, I have absolutely no wish to participate in someone's brainwashing ritual.
That's all that ICANT is doing with this topic: convincing himself. He has no intention nor interest on convincing us about anything, rather he is only interested in keeping himself deceived.
We've already seen Hine-y (polite folk terminology for buttocks) play the persecution-by-the-scientific-community card, same as just about every other pseudo-science puke (Navy terminology).
Has it ever convinced anybody?
Like with so many other pukes of his same ilk who have paraded through here, that has never been his objective. All he wants to do is to dump his shipload of bullshit, stir up a ruckus, pour gasoline on that ruckus to make it even worse, and then retreat back to his little bubble telling himself that we are all idiots who cannot appreciate his brilliant genius and have to cling to our benighted positions for all the wrong reasons (eg, "They don't want to admit that God exists", "They don't want to admit they're wrong" (as per his current "herd stupidity" bent).
He's nothing but a troll. Now the next question we need to examine is whether trolls can be considered a life-form, kind of like the virus question.

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dwise1
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Message 369 of 438 (924224)
10-17-2025 1:38 AM
Reply to: Message 363 by David Hine
10-16-2025 4:47 PM


Re: Collectice herd stupidity
Yeah, it's a bad idea to feed the trolls. But the bat-shit craziness of your latest bowel movement is just too crazy.
David Hine writes in Message 363:
There is nothing unusual about the historic algebra system I use. as widely used before the 1960's. it was the standard maths system used after the previous Roman numeral system.
That was like listening to Trump running in full brain-dead mode. What are you even talking about?
Earlier, you talked about using a different form of math from standard mathematics, such that we would need to use your different math in order to get the same results as you do and which would be very different from what we would get using the normal math that the rest of the world uses all the time. And, of course, you refused to tell us anything about your very different math, so how could we possibly use it as you have directed us to do?
BTW, my first algebra class was in 1964, but I had already taught myself the fundamentals of algebra a few years earlier by reading my sister's textbook. I do not see how algebra had changed as radically as you claim that it did, so could you please explain how it had changed? No, of course you won't.
David Hine writes in Message 363:
It was found a tad difficult to do algebra in Roman, so a system designed around 1 to 10 numerals came into use.
Forget algebra, what about arithmetic in Roman numerals?
Actually, I have worked out addition and subtraction in Roman numerals; it's actually quite simple once you work around the shortcut notation. Multiplication is more difficult until you follow the advice I've found to use binary multiplication, also known as Russian Peasant Multiplication, math that had been known since ancient Egypt.
But that's not how Romans did arithmetic. Rather, they used the abacus.
But we got algebra from the Arabs (part of what had sparked the Renaissance), who had themselves gotten it from ancient sources as well as from India. Part of that package was the decimal system which they had gotten from India. Here you are trying to claim that the decimal system is something new that we have no knowledge of, and yet we have been raised in and worked in the decimal system for our entire lives QUITE LITERALLY FOR CENTURIES NOW.
Whiskey-Tango-Foxtrot-Mike! You're trying to tell us that we are unaware of the decimal system? You are a complete loon! You are what Robin Williams called "full-blown Bozo!"
Complete and utter insanity!
David Hine writes in Message 363:
Einstein did not or would want to use the crazy SI system of today, where basic errors (either accidental or made by cheating) occur, often going unnoticed.
What is your stupid paranoia about the SI system (AKA "metric system")? It's a good system and very easy and direct to work with. Furthermore, it does not matter one whit what system of measurements is used, just so long as everyone uses that same system. Same as with which side of the road to drive on (another obsession of yours); it doesn't matter just so long as everyone abides by the same standard.
 
If you have not sought mental health care, please to do so.
If you are under mental health care, please do not neglect taking your medications.

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Message 370 of 438 (924225)
10-17-2025 2:01 AM
Reply to: Message 365 by David Hine
10-16-2025 5:34 PM


Re: Collectice herd stupidity
Tangle writes in Message 364:
So I will also become a recluse like "Percy the Parrot".
You pathetically stupid fucking idiot!
Percy announced that he would RECUSE HIMSELF.
This is Percy's forum, so he acts both as a participant AND AS A MODERATOR (AKA "Admin"). Acting as both participant and moderator in the same discussion is an invitation for corrupt actions. I have seen that happen in other forums and it is very ugly (eg, when the forum owner was losing a discussion, he started deleting past messages in order to change the narrative; in another forum a creationist ended up as the sole moderator which led to creationists have free reign to lie their asses off while their opponents were constantly silenced for simply pointing out those lies). I am glad to say that Percy has been extremely fair in his treatment of those he may disagree with, stepping in only when they go far too far -- I mean, you're still able to post here.
But your misconduct is making Percy step down from being a participant and having to step up as Admin. Therefore, FOR ETHICAL REASONS, he must RECUSE HIMSELF from the discussion.
From Merriam-Webster dictionary:
Dictionary:
: to disqualify (oneself) as judge in a particular case
broadly : to remove (oneself) from participation to avoid a conflict of interest
Excuse me, Hiney, but ... do you speak English? Are you quite fluent enough in the English language? I am a minor polyglot myself, so I tend to be more considerate in such matters than a monoglot would be.
recuse is a very different word from recluse:
Dictionary "recluse":
recluse
1 of 2
adjective
re·​cluse ˈre-ˌklüs ri-ˈklüs, ˈre-ˌklüz
Synonyms of recluse
: marked by withdrawal from society : solitary
recluse
2 of 2
noun
: a person who leads a secluded or solitary life
Percy's decision to RECUSE HIMSELF is in absolutely NO manner the same as his having become a RECLUSE.
Though I can understand your confusion. Percy's decision to RECUSE HIMSELF was an ETHICAL decision. ETHICS is obviously a subject which is extremely alien to you.

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Zucadragon
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Message 371 of 438 (924226)
10-17-2025 2:17 AM
Reply to: Message 369 by dwise1
10-17-2025 1:38 AM


Re: Collectice herd stupidity
I think you might be quoting the wrong person, though I do enjoy the attention!

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Message 372 of 438 (924227)
10-17-2025 2:57 AM
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10-17-2025 2:17 AM


Re: Collectice herd stupidity
Duly corrected. Thank you.

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Message 373 of 438 (924228)
10-17-2025 8:33 AM
Reply to: Message 372 by dwise1
10-17-2025 2:57 AM


Re: Collectice herd stupidity
Try again, sweetheart :-)

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"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 374 of 438 (924231)
10-17-2025 5:26 PM


Moderator On Duty
I have transitioned to a moderator role in this thread.

--Percy
EvC Forum Director

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Zucadragon
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Message 375 of 438 (924232)
10-17-2025 6:12 PM
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10-17-2025 5:26 PM


Re: Moderator On Duty
Alrighty, I hope some answers will be obtained, I'm not as good at math as the lovely folk here for the most part. But even my simple questions have been ignored, as have all the other questions asked by others.
I don't really see any option, if it doesn't happen, I had a feeling already, but I think it's total troll waste of time bullshit.

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