First, thank you for admitting defeat in this topic by abandoning any attempts to defend your position and instead changing the subject.
It looks like you approach your religion like you do creationism: you simply accept and memorize whatever you are told, regardless of how false or nonsensical, and then practice at simply regurgitating it in public "discussion" (there have to be at least two participants on a discussion and you are not one of them).
You seem to have the same problem that creationists have. I came to realize it around 1986 shortly after I started participating in online discussions with creationists ... or at least tried to. A creationist would make a claim, so, taking his claim on face value, I asked him for more information about that claim, to explain it to me. I was not prepared for the immediate angry response that always followed. Here I was taking his claims seriously and he would have none of that!
What I came to realize was that the creationist didn't even understand his own claim. In order to explain something, you need to understand it yourself. In order to answer questions about it, you need to have knowledge about it,
knowledge outside of a script that you had memorized. You see, my questions were always
off-script, so they had no idea how to respond. So, not knowing anything about their own claim, they would resort to anything they could to change the subject away from that claim. Including angrily attacking the person asking
a simple question.
We see the same thing happening here. All you know about "Anglo-Israelitism" is what you have been told by your church, along with all the "supporting" Bible passages
with the necessary interpretations (
no "Bible-believer" believes what the Bible says, but rather what he's been told that the Bible says). Outside of having memorized that, you know nothing about it,
nor have even given it any thought, obviously. You know your script and nothing more.
As such, you are woefully unprepared for any actual discussion, which is why,
the moment any of us go off-script on you, you almost immediately try to change the subject. As you just did, trying desperately to switch it to evolution, something else you know nothing about.
Hence, you have conceded defeat on the stated topic. At least try to accept defeat gracefully.
Now to the latest public display of your astounding ignorance about "evolution" (scare quotes since whenever you say you're talking about evolution, you're actually talking about something entirely different -- and since you're just repeating the stupid lies creationists have told you,
you don't even know what their fictional "evolution" is supposed to be). Everything you just posted has been refuted many times already
and those refutations have been explained to you as many times already, so the sad fact that you still have learned nothing speaks of you possessing a very grave learning disability. You really should seek professional help for that affliction.
Taq, you have no idea how life came from non-life.
So
what? What possible bearing should that have on
anything?
We have been over this
so many times and you
still don't understand? Indeed, the last time was in
Message 77 where it was the origin of matter and I demanded:
dwise1 writes:
Please explain
COMPLETELY why I "must first explain how the material came to be"
and why it's supposed to matter!
To which your only "reply" was an angry personal attack in order to avoid that and several other questions I asked you.
Whenever you make a demand/challenge of us, you must be ready and willing to explain the importance of that demand/challenge! Failure to do so exposes your demand/challenge as a wholly dishonest empty bluff. We're calling your bluff, mister!
Also, as we've told you so many times (again, most recently repeated in that same
Message 77),
abiogenesis has nothing to do with evolution, nor does evolution depend on abiogenesis, so what the actual F**K are you talking about? Again from
Message 77:
dwise1 writes:
- Matter exists and behaves as it does regardless of how it came into existence.
- Life exists and behaves as it does regardless of how it came into existence.
- Evolution is an integral part of life, basically the complete set of the consequences of life doing what life naturally does; ie, populations of individuals surviving and reproducing, etc.
- REGARDLESS OF HOW LIFE GOT HERE, be that naturally or supernaturally, EVOLUTION STILL STARTS UP WHEN THE FIRST LIVING THING COMES INTO EXISTENCE. Life works as it works regardless of how it got started.
Therefore, THERE IS NO CONFLICT BETWEEN DIVINE CREATION AND EVOLUTION. The only conflict that could possibly exist is if idiots like you create that conflict by telling lies about Creation and evolution, which is exactly what you keep doing.
- And just because things are caused by natural processes, that does not conflict with "God", since according to Creation the Creator also created those natural processes to do what they do. So no conflict unless you create a conflict with stupid lies; eg, creationism.
What part of that are you too willfully stupid to understand?
I know that you don't.
So
what? The fact that there are a lot of things we
as individuals don't know. Eg:
- When pocket electronic calculators first came on the market (c. 1968) my father said that he knew how they worked: "They use chips!" Of course, he had no idea what chips were nor how they worked; I learned the basics of integrated circuit design (AKA "chips") in junior college electronics class and then how that could be applied to perform calculations in Air Force tech school, 3ABR30534, Electronic Computer Systems Repairman).
Of course, the fact that the vast majority of calculator uses had no idea how or why they worked had absolutely to effect on the simple fact that they did indeed work.
- You have no idea how a computer works (whereas I do), but that does not mean that computers do not exist nor that the ones that do nonetheless exist cannot possibly work. Again, that does not prevent millions of people from using computers all the time.
Oh yeah, you just have a puny useless phone that is too small for you to read anything on.
- You (unlike me) have no idea how TCP/IP works nor, I'm quite certain, what it even is. Yet that does not prevent us from being here on this forum. Does it?
Explain why you think that "I know that you don't" is supposed to have any kind of importance.
You have a belief (secular faith) that it happened by chance.
No, nobody thinks that
except for stupid lying creationists.
But, unless you can prove it, it ain't worth a dime.
Prove your stupid bullshit nonsense?
Nobody can prove nonsense and presenting someone with stupid nonsense and demanding that he prove it is an act of
deception.
And, no, your stupid bullshit ain't worth a dime. It ain't even worth a
mill (1/10 cent; handled with stamps that banks used to carry).
Evolutionists like to say that creationists live in a fairy tale, but
actually it is the evolutionists that believe in fairy tales.
Again, we have explained to you so many times why you are completely wrong about that. Why are you so incapable of ever learning anything?
From
Message 81 (my reply to your bullshit non-reply to my
Message 77 referenced above):
dwise1 writes:
Candle3 writes:
If you honestly believe this propaganda crap that you spew,
then you are indeed very gullible.
You're projecting again.
YOU are indeed very gullible since you actually seem to believe the
PROPAGADA CRAP THAT YOU SPEW.
What I have been posting are
corrections to your propaganda crap. You keep spewing crap and I keep having to clean up after you. And what makes matters worse, regardless of how many times I correct you and explain to you how things work, you keep returning spewing the exact same tired old stupid propaganda crap
as if you had never been informed of what's wrong with it.
Your sheer inability to ever learn anything is mind-boggling!
As is your gullibility. I mean, just look at your fascination with such total idiocies as "giant mud fossils" and that magic tricks are caused by demons!
Please do yourself and us a big favor: start asking questions about what you are told.
Asking questions about what you are being told is an essential skill when reading creationist claims, because creationists constantly lie. For example, when a creationist quotes a scientist or scientific article (he's actually
quote mining so he can lie about it), get that reference and read the original article. Forrest Valkai's favorite advice is "Go to the original source
and read the next sentence." Erika "Gutsick Gibbon" loves to display the source being "quoted" to point out that the creationist only quotes from the first sentence or two of the abstract,
where they state the problem being studied, but leaves out the concluding sentences which states that they had solved the problem and this is how,
just so the creationist can lie that "the paper admits to this huge problem that has no solution",
THE EXACT OPPOSITE OF WHAT THE PAPER ACTUALLY SAYS.
I even came across a creationist "single-sentence quote" from a scientific paper from the 1920's or 1930's with an ellipsis ( ... ) in the middle. When I went to the original article I found that that ellipsis had replaced
FOUR FULL PAGES of text, such that the two halves of that "single sentence" were from two different sentences in two different contexts saying different things. Kind of like that bird fossil that a Chinese farmer had codged together from two different fossils.
Yet another object lesson to always go to the primary source.
IOW,
creationists always lie, so we must always investigate and verify a creationist's claim instead of just being very gullible and accepting it at face value.
The same goes for scientific claims. If you have questions about a scientific claim, then investigate, study, and verify it. The difference between scientific claims and creationist claims is that scientific claims will stand up to scrutiny, whereas creationist claims fall completely apart the moment you start poking it with your finger.
Create life for me and I will deny creation.
Why would you ever think of doing that? Why would you even begin to think that to be a necessary choice? That makes absolutely no sense at all!
EXPLAIN TO US WHY YOU WOULD THINK THAT TO BE A NECESSARY CHOICE!
Indeed, as a creationist
you have already denied the Creation. Do I also need to explain
that to you
yet again?
For the lurkers (AKA "visitors" whose numbers used to be displayed here): Assuming that the universe was created, then that means that we are living in and are a part of the Creation which is all around us. We have studied it intensely; ie, science. It is as it is. But creationism teaches that if the Creation is as it actually is, then that
disproves God; eg, John Morris, ICR, "If the earth is more than 10,000 years old then Scripture has no meaning." so since the earth
is much older than that then, according to creationists, Scripture has no meaning.
Edited by dwise1, : added " -- and since you're just repeating the stupid lies creationists have told you, you don't even know what their fictional "evolution" is supposed to be"
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