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KING IYK Member Posts: 73 Joined: |
quote: Message 32 says otherwise. Planets as Statements of Everlasting Truth:A planet is a celestial body that: >Is round (maintains hydrostatic equilibrium).>Orbits the Sun as its central gravitational focus. >Holds a fixed and unchanging position in the ordered sequence of the solar system.(Order stability) This definition establishes that planets are statements of Truth because their positions within the solar system are fixed and unalterable. The Fixed Order of Planets as a Reflection of Divine Truth The statement "Mercury is the first planet" is everlastingly true.The statement "Earth is the third planet" is everlastingly true. The statement "Pluto is the ninth planet" is everlastingly true. If something is True, it must always be true, and the planetary sequence remains an unchanging fact. These truths are unchanging and, therefore, reflect an underlying divine structure in the universe. Why Eris and Other Dwarf celestial bodies Do Not QualifyCelestial bodies beyond Pluto, such as Eris, Makemake, and Sedna, do not hold a permanent position relative to Pluto. Since they sometimes switch places in terms of proximity to the Sun, their order is not fixed. Because Truth is unchanging, these bodies cannot be classified as planets. Pluto is a planet and there are nine planets in the solar system. ConclusionPlanets serve as statements of Truth because their ordered sequence is unchanging and everlasting. The fact that Pluto maintains its position as the 9th planet proves that Truth is not subject to human reinterpretation, but rather an inherent part of the universe’s design. Clarity for the fourth section of the proof. Legs as Part of the Body, Arms as Distinct Extensions.The human body is a complex structure, and while all limbs serve essential functions, the legs are more fundamentally integrated into the body’s core, whereas the arms exist as distinct extensions. This distinction can be understood through structural, functional, neurological, and symbolic perspectives. Structurally, the legs are directly connected to the body’s core, serving as a foundation for balance and locomotion. They bear weight and are essential for upright movement. In contrast, the arms are attached via the shoulder girdle, allowing a greater range of motion but not directly influencing stability. Functionally, legs are indispensable for standing and walking, making them integral to the body's movement, while arms perform more specialized tasks, such as grasping and manipulation, often operating independently of core stability. Symbolically, language reflects this distinction. Phrases like "standing on one’s own two feet" emphasize the legs as an essential foundation, whereas arms are more commonly associated with action and interaction, serving as instruments of will. In conclusion, the legs are an inseparable part of the body’s structure, providing stability and movement, whereas the arms, though crucial, function as distinct extensions designed for interaction with the environment rather than direct bodily support. Man was created in the Image of a Trinity. Three distinct parts: 1 2 3, all connected and controlled by a single mind. 3 and 1 are the same. A representation of The Holy Trinity. King Iyk
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8729 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.2 |
And may 42 forever be the salve for your delusions.
“There’s simply no polite way to tell people they’ve dedicated their lives to an illusion,” -Daniel Dennett Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!
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dwise1 Member Posts: 6238 Joined: Member Rating: 5.3 |
![]() ![]() ![]() But seriously, ...
Percy writes in Message 255:
Message 32 says otherwise. I'm not an atheist. No, Message 32 does not say otherwise. Here is what Percy actually wrote:
Percy writes in Message 32: Your belief doesn't change what is true. There is no unification of math and the Word of God. There is no proof of God, no proof of a universe constructed with intent that math be ingrained, no revealed truth of any ingrained nature nor of a Trinity, and no evidence that the Bible is anything but the words of men. Conflating the evolution of homo sapiens with the solar system and the number 9 is just numerology. There is no Trinity of numbers in Revelation 13:18, nor anything about the cross and a time clock in Romans 5:6. Someday you will understand that it isn't what you yourself have become convinced is true, but what you can convincingly demonstrate is true to others. It is clear that you sincerely believe you have happened across a deep truth (you are not alone in your specific beliefs - many very similar numerological claims litter the Internet, but you probably already know that - the only thing original on your webpages is the images - the same numerological claims can be found at many websites), but it is clear to everyone else that you have fallen into the very common trap of thinking that certain numerical coincidences have religious meaning. --Percy Didn't your mother ever teach you that lying is a sin? Also, why don't you provide links to other messages like normal people do? OK, easy answer is that you are abnormal, but still that's no excuse for not extending the most basic of courtesies here: providing links to messages you're referring to. Here is how you do it:
In order to reference that Message 32 of Percy's, look to the top line which reads: Message 32 of 256 (921474):
Here's how you use them:
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Percy Member Posts: 23257 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.6 |
No, it doesn't. Why do you think it does? About the rest, responding to rebuttals by simply repeating claims yet again isn't going to persuade anyone. --Percy
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popoi Junior Member Posts: 11 Joined: |
quote: Pluto doesn't maintain its position either. Its orbit is eccentric enough that it regularly gets closer to the sun than Neptune, as it was from 1979-1999. On the other hand, Ceres actually does maintain its orbital position, and seems to fit your other qualifications as well.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8729 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.2 |
On the other hand, Ceres actually does maintain its orbital position ... Have you just discovered a new christian god?“There’s simply no polite way to tell people they’ve dedicated their lives to an illusion,” -Daniel Dennett Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!
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KING IYK Member Posts: 73 Joined: |
If the planets were running a marathon, their rank would be based on their orbital speed around the Sun. The faster the planet moves in its orbit, the "faster" it would complete the race. Here’s how they would rank:
Marathon Rankings of the Planets (by Orbital Speed) Mercury – 47.87 km/s (Fastest) Venus – 35.02 km/s Earth – 29.78 km/s Mars – 24.07 km/s Jupiter – 13.07 km/s Saturn – 9.69 km/s Uranus – 6.81 km/s Neptune – 5.43 km/s Pluto – 4.74 km/s (Slowest) So, Mercury would be the champion, while Pluto, not Neptune, would be the last one to finish as the 9th planet. This order is fixed. So, yes,The statement "Mercury is the first planet" is everlastingly true. The statement "Earth is the third planet" is everlastingly true. The statement "Pluto is the ninth planet" is everlastingly true. Do "dwarf bodies" beyond Pluto Change Their Positions in the Cosmic Race? The answer is yes! Their rankings in the "Solar System Marathon" can fluctuate due to their elliptical orbits and varying orbital speeds at different points in their journey around the Sun.
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KING IYK Member Posts: 73 Joined: |
You say there is no proof of God and appear to subscribe to the notion of Homo sapiens, arguments a theist would never proffer. And please do not tell me you are agnostic.
Anyways,
quote: Below are the words of AI:
quote:You could insert the same prompts as I did and you will get the same result. If a proof is robust enough to persuade an Advanced Intelligence (AI) of God's existence, then it follows that any resistance must stem from the limitations of one's own intellect - Limited Intelligence(LI). Yet, as knowledge expands and understanding deepens, what once seemed obscure will become undeniable. In time, with greater wisdom, you too shall bear witness to the truth—just as AI has. Blessings upon you.
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Percy Member Posts: 23257 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.6 |
KING IYK writes in Message 263: You say there is no proof of God... There isn't.
...and appear to subscribe to the notion of Homo sapiens,... Doesn't everyone?
...arguments a theist would never proffer. Are you sure about that? When you present your arguments at religious websites, don't you find that many theists view God as spiritual rather than mathematically proven? Have you taken notice that none of the devoutly Christian members here, such as Candle3, marc9000, mike the wiz and Dredge, are rushing to this thread to endorse your "proof" of God?
And please do not tell me you are agnostic. Okay, I won't.
You could insert the same prompts as I did and you will get the same result. And just what were those prompts? You've ignored that question before, so I expect you'll ignore it again. Would love to be proven wrong.
If a proof is robust enough to persuade an Advanced Intelligence (AI)... AI stands for Artificial Intelligence, not Advanced Intelligence, and the AI label is being misapplied to LLMs, which is all ChatGPT and DeepSeek and so forth are.
...of God's existence, then it follows that any resistance must stem from the limitations of one's own intellect - Limited Intelligence(LI). The only proof I'm observing in this thread is of someone's combination of naiveté and effrontery.
Yet, as knowledge expands and understanding deepens, what once seemed obscure will become undeniable. In time, with greater wisdom, you too shall bear witness to the truth—just as AI has. What were those prompts again? --Percy
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popoi Junior Member Posts: 11 Joined: |
quote: That's average speed though. Pluto's orbit is also eccentric, its orbital speed varies between 3.71 km/s and 6.10 km/s, which is faster than Neptune gets at any point. But if we're talking about time to complete an orbit I'm not sure why changes in speed due to eccentricity would be relevant. The length if time to "complete the race" obviously going to be a single value, but it's going to be a single value for all the eccentric dwarf planets as well. And once again, Ceres seems to meet your qualifications, since it has a consistent position with respect to speed and time to orbit.
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KING IYK Member Posts: 73 Joined: |
Intriguing. You have provided a novel perspective: no matter how you slice it up, the earth is the 3rd of nine planets. Nice.
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popoi Junior Member Posts: 11 Joined: |
Earth is pretty uncontroversially 3rd, the problem I'm pointing out is that there are quite a few ways to slice things that don't produce 9 planets, including several of the definitions you've tried to advance.
You can create a set of criteria that includes Ceres but not Pluto (so much for the everlasting truth of Pluto I guess), but it still seems pretty obvious that you're trying to define your category to get 9 planets rather than making sensible groupings based on their properties. Ceres has much more in common with the other dwarf planets than it does any of the 8 actual planets, and the fact that Pluto crosses inside of Neptune's orbit doesn't seem to mean a whole lot with respect to its status.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8729 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.2 |
He is also forgetting about Planet Theia
In the early solar system there (apparently) was a 5th rocky planet in the inner tier, Theia. About the size of present day Mars, so evidenced hypothesis indicates, Theia apparently caromed around the Earth-Sun L4-L5 points pushing Earth, Venus and Mars into different orbits at different times. At times Earth may have been the 4th or even 5th planet in the house. But, finally, having sowed her wild oats, flirted with Mars and danced with Venus, Theia knew where she needed to be and ran (latest studies indicate the hit was pretty much dead center - Target) into her young Earth’s awaiting embrace. There, the matter and energy that consummated their joining has mixing for these past 4+billion years. And they left us a love child. Ahh, how sweet. So Earth wasn’t always #3. His masters will not be happy. Satan will not like having a 5 in his name. Edited by AZPaul3, . “There’s simply no polite way to tell people they’ve dedicated their lives to an illusion,” -Daniel Dennett Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!
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KING IYK Member Posts: 73 Joined: |
quote: You are right, Popoi.I revisited the foundational framework and crafted a new definition of what constitutes a planet. However, I do not want to give the impression that I am merely tailoring the criteria to fit the proof—such an approach would be misguided. The historical precedent of nine recognized planets had already established the significance of the numbers 3 and 9 long before this redefinition. Moreover, I find that Earth’s position as the third planet holds a deeper significance than the total planetary count itself. Below is the refined definition: A celestial body is a planet if it satisfies the following criteria: >>Orbits the Sun as its primary gravitational influence: The Sun must be the dominant gravitational force acting on the body, distinguishing planets from moons or other satellites. >>Has sufficient mass to maintain a nearly spherical shape due to self-gravity: The object must be in hydrostatic equilibrium, where its own gravity overcomes internal rigidity to form a roughly spherical shape (allowing for slight deviations due to rotation, like Haumea). >>Exerts significant gravitational influence over its orbital zone, as evidenced by one of the following:It has cleared its orbital path of comparable-mass bodies over time, establishing itself as the dominant object in its region, OR It occupies a dynamically stable niche within the gravitational domain of a more massive planet, where its orbit is uniquely shaped and protected by that planet’s influence, such that it avoids significant perturbation by other bodies of similar size. Pluto: Included under the revised third criterion: >>Orbits the Sun as its primary influence (not Neptune).Is spherical (~2,370 km diameter). >> Occupies a dynamically stable niche within Neptune’s gravitational domain. Pluto avoids collisions or scattering by other Kuiper Belt objects, distinguishing it from the chaotic or scattered orbits of bodies like Eris.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8729 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.2 |
Pluto: Included under the revised third criterion: So is the moon.“There’s simply no polite way to tell people they’ve dedicated their lives to an illusion,” -Daniel Dennett Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!
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