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Author Topic:   Review and Confirm The Mathematical Proof of God
popoi
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Message 35 of 314 (921480)
01-13-2025 11:59 AM
Reply to: Message 23 by KING IYK
01-12-2025 4:29 PM


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The Proof clearly states that Man was created in the image of a trinity: three distinct parts (represented by 3, 6, 9 on the clock), all connected and controlled by a single mind(head, 12), Hence, Trinity - Meaning three united by one. The head is an essential aspect, which you failed to notice. And yes, legs must be views as a single entity attached to the torso, For they are united as one and share a single entity on The Cross(6).
Humans have way more than 3 distinct parts though. You can arbitrarily define 3 "parts" if you want to, but you can do that about as easily for any other arbitrary number you want. It doesn't seem to have much significance, especially when the "parts" are as counterintuitive as "left arm, right arm, and the rest". When you do that it's pretty obvious you're trying to force things to fit that really don't.
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The same Scientists who sat down in a round Table to eliminate Pluto could also do the same thing to Venus but on what Authority are they acting upon? Many planetary scientists advocate for a simpler definition, focusing on intrinsic properties like size, shape, and geological activity. By this standard, Pluto would easily qualify as a planet. Pluto exhibits active geology, seasonal changes, and surface renewal processes not seen on most asteroids or other small bodies. These features reflect internal heat and dynamic systems akin to those of terrestrial planets. Unlike asteroids, which are often fragments of larger bodies, Pluto is a primordial object that has retained its integrity since the solar system’s formation.
It's not like scientists are out there trying to force there not to be 9 planets. Pluto was found early so it was in the classical list, but it differs from the 8 uncontroversial planets in some key respects, and if we include it, it's hard to say why things like Eris or the other dwarf planets shouldn't also count. It may be that you can define the category in such a way as to include Pluto but nothing else, but the harder you have to work to do that, again the more clear it becomes you're trying to force the fit.
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I also noticed how you skipped my prior question on how the same 333 derived from the trinity of numbers is also derived from The Cross being fixed into a Time clock as the proof illustrates. I guess that serves as the heaviest stumbling block.
The "how" seems to just be that clocks are based around 12, which is divisible by 3 and 4, so things with 4 parts map on to the multiples of 3. It's not clear why that coincidence (or all of them taken together) are necessarily a product of God, much less a proof.

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popoi
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Message 40 of 314 (921487)
01-13-2025 3:57 PM
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01-13-2025 1:54 PM


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The Cross is the representation of The Holy Trinity. If God depicts Man as having 3 distinct parts which are unified by one(head), then so it is.
If you're appealing to how God depicts humans (and birds and whales I guess?) the argument essentially boils down to "The Bible has a lot of 3s in it", it's not actually identifying any kind of consistency with the natural world or anything that's been independently derived anymore.
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Pluto demonstrates dynamic and complex "planet-like" features (e.g., atmosphere, geological activity, and a system of moons).
So does Eris. Why should only one of them be included, other than that you just want the total to be 9? Why are there even any possible points of controversy if the number of planets was supposed to be created to obviously reflect a trinity?
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I stated earlier that The Proof is a unification of Math and The Word of God.
Romans 5:6 provides justification for the cross being fixed into the time clock.
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For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly.
Why does that rise above the level of coincidence though? It seems like you just cherry picked a verse that mentioned "time" (and not even the time of day like on a clock) and declared it to have extra significance because it fit your point.

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Message 260 of 314 (922250)
02-19-2025 10:53 PM
Reply to: Message 256 by KING IYK
02-19-2025 1:40 PM


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Why Eris and Other Dwarf celestial bodies Do Not Qualify
Celestial bodies beyond Pluto, such as Eris, Makemake, and Sedna, do not hold a permanent position relative to Pluto. Since they sometimes switch places in terms of proximity to the Sun, their order is not fixed. Because Truth is unchanging, these bodies cannot be classified as planets. Pluto is a planet and there are nine planets in the solar system.

Conclusion
Planets serve as statements of Truth because their ordered sequence is unchanging and everlasting. The fact that Pluto maintains its position as the 9th planet proves that Truth is not subject to human reinterpretation, but rather an inherent part of the universe’s design.
Pluto doesn't maintain its position either. Its orbit is eccentric enough that it regularly gets closer to the sun than Neptune, as it was from 1979-1999.
On the other hand, Ceres actually does maintain its orbital position, and seems to fit your other qualifications as well.

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popoi
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Message 265 of 314 (922257)
02-20-2025 11:51 AM
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02-20-2025 6:44 AM


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If the planets were running a marathon, their rank would be based on their orbital speed around the Sun. The faster the planet moves in its orbit, the "faster" it would complete the race. Here’s how they would rank:

Marathon Rankings of the Planets (by Orbital Speed)

Mercury – 47.87 km/s (Fastest)

Venus – 35.02 km/s

Earth – 29.78 km/s

Mars – 24.07 km/s

Jupiter – 13.07 km/s

Saturn – 9.69 km/s

Uranus – 6.81 km/s

Neptune – 5.43 km/s

Pluto – 4.74 km/s (Slowest)
That's average speed though. Pluto's orbit is also eccentric, its orbital speed varies between 3.71 km/s and 6.10 km/s, which is faster than Neptune gets at any point.
But if we're talking about time to complete an orbit I'm not sure why changes in speed due to eccentricity would be relevant. The length if time to "complete the race" obviously going to be a single value, but it's going to be a single value for all the eccentric dwarf planets as well.
And once again, Ceres seems to meet your qualifications, since it has a consistent position with respect to speed and time to orbit.

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popoi
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Message 267 of 314 (922259)
02-20-2025 8:08 PM
Reply to: Message 266 by KING IYK
02-20-2025 1:50 PM


Earth is pretty uncontroversially 3rd, the problem I'm pointing out is that there are quite a few ways to slice things that don't produce 9 planets, including several of the definitions you've tried to advance.
You can create a set of criteria that includes Ceres but not Pluto (so much for the everlasting truth of Pluto I guess), but it still seems pretty obvious that you're trying to define your category to get 9 planets rather than making sensible groupings based on their properties. Ceres has much more in common with the other dwarf planets than it does any of the 8 actual planets, and the fact that Pluto crosses inside of Neptune's orbit doesn't seem to mean a whole lot with respect to its status.

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