Inspecting a rock the day after creation

You need to admit defeat. Total defeat. Then we make headway

Can’t it? Again why should God put lead atoms into tiny zircon crystals? What about the dates for rocks that you say were not created? Shouldn’t “natural” work for them? If not, why not?

Ok I'll try again. Can you please provide an example of a supernaturally caused lightning strike.btw, I see you've gone down the path of one sentence, evasive replies. That's never a good strategy and it's always a bad look.

I don't find dogmas to be that helpful when trying to understand the universe around me because they usually get in the way of learning. What good is a belief if its existence requires people to ignore any evidence that contradicts it?Your other problem is there are rocks that date to billions of years old which you claim were not part of the original creation. If you are going to claim that fossil bearing rocks were not created at the beginning, then they had to form afterwards and were formed naturally.We have fossils of life below rocks that date to ~3 billion years ago. How do you explain this? It can't be due to God supernaturally creating the rock with isotope ratios already in them (which doesn't work to begin with because you can't explain the correlation between the ratios nor the fission tracks).

You seem to have things backwards. You need to make headway in explaining what we observe before I will admit defeat. Do you really think bare assertions are convincing? If your only recourse is "believe me or else", then what are you doing here?

Are you saying the fossil record was created supernaturally? Are we back to God creating the Earth with fossils already in the ground? Didn't your parents and/or teachers tell you about the "birds and the bees"? Do you know where babies come from? Do you think making babies is a supernatural process?

What about rocks that sit above fossils in the geologic record? Were those rocks and the fossils below them created on day one?

There was a joke about a young hyper-fundamentalist-Christian couple who didn't have any children but really wanted to. They were starting to become so desperate that they would spend every night praying for children. Just praying, nothing else (especially nothing "dirty" and icky).He calls himself "dad", but ... .BTW, he goes by dad3 now, but I suspect that more than four years ago (23-Jul-2020) he was dad. The style of his non-replies looks the same. I assume that he returned after that four-year absence and couldn't remember his password, so instead of trying to resolve that problem he simply chose to get a new account.

Yeah. That message (Message 56) wasn't addressed directly to you so I used the "i-word", "irony", which went right over your head; the creationist mind cannot comprehend irony any more than it can truthfulness or honesty. The point is that creationism denies the Creation and the Creator, even to the point of being anti-Creation and anti-Creator. Creationism claims that the Creation must be entirely different than it actually is and that if the Creation turns out to be as it actually is, then that disproves God. Your problem is that the Creation IS as it actually is while your false creationist claims are indeed false. Which disproves your false deceiver god, but not the actual Creator. Whom you oppose.The purpose of the quotes was to illustrate how creationism destroys faith and leads to the growth and spread of atheism. Go back and read them (note that they include leading figures of Answers in Genesis, Drs. Sarfati and Batten, making that same warning that I've been making for four decades). But if you instead wish to destroy faith and advance atheism, then by all means continue as you have been doing.If you don't understand those simple facts or want me to explain them, then I already have done that. In Message 56, which you refused to read. So go back and read it this time!A quote of advice for you and your fellow creationists:

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Sun Tzu, Scroll III (Offensive Strategy):

31. Therefore I say: "Know the enemy and know yourself; in a hundred battles you will never be in peril.
32. When you are ignorant of the enemy but know yourself, your chances of winning or losing are equal.
33. If ignorant both of your enemy and of yourself, you are certain in every battle to be in peril."

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Sun Tzu, The Art of War, translation by Samuel B. Griffith, Oxford University Press, 1963.

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You do not know "the enemy" and you do not know yourself. You are in constant peril.We are trying to help you out of your condition of constant peril, but you refuse our help.

One way to find out. Read it. I see no billions if years. Unless you insert it

Of course lots happened after creationNo the flood did not do it all.

In heaven there are lightnings in the end as God prepares to unleash the judgment seals on earthThere was a storm in Job where Satan created a wind and blew a house down and killed people

You do not and cannot tell. God knows. Sometimes believers know also. Like Elijah and the rains. Science is stuck in the natural only puddle level understanding and ability to know which is which

Which part of the natural only simply knows squat about anything supernatural is either questionable, or requires details?

What is wrong with lead? If some was a part of creation, so what? Are you prejudiced again certain minerals or elements?