The Second Trump Presidency

I'm thinking if they could think that deeply they wouldn't have voted for Trump in the first place. Trump can do no wrong and that is where the thinking seems to stop.

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I think a lot of the Muslims who voted for Trump are going to be very disappointed by that list.

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To nobody’s surprise they are:
ReutersMaybe he could have considered that voting for a known liar with a record of supporting Israel might be a mistake?

Adding my comments to the mix: ( In Tan )

Its not so much that supporting Israel is wrong. Its supporting Netanyahu that is the problem.One problem with this mandate is that we have too many leaders within the US and Israel who agree and are extremists rather than moderates. Mattis was a moderate and got fired for it. As for Elon Musk, he will benefit greatly from the future wars. Isnt that a conflict of interest? After all, everyone got mad at Bezos The Clown for censoring the Washington Post. I predict that Elon Musk may come under fire for benefiting from his cabinet post.

There’s not a lot of difference. Especially while Netanyahu is in charge.

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As for Elon Musk, he will benefit greatly from the future wars. Isnt that a conflict of interest?

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I’d be more worried about the conflict of interest over SpaceX. And regulation of Tesla.

What's wrong is only selectively supporting the right of all peoples to self-determination. Giving the dispossessed Jews their own country fulfilled this right, but it created another dispossessed people who have the same right. The rights of the Palestinians were ignored all through the process of building the modern Israeli state, beginning with the 1917 Balfour Declaration, only a single sentence quoted here in its entirety:

Balfour Declaration:

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His Majesty's Government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country.

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Britain controlled Palestine after WWI. This declaration was approved by the British cabinet and became British policy. To casual examination it appears innocuous, even praiseworthy, but it is damned by its commitment of Britain to "a national home for the Jewish people" but not for the Palestinian people. The Palestinian people are referred to as "non-Jewish communities" whose "civil and religious rights" the declaration promises to preserve but which in the implementation were completely ignored.You would think that a people who had experienced prejudice and dispossession for centuries would be more sympathetic toward the Palestinians, but from Israel's earliest days right up until the present it has thrown Palestinians off their land, destroyed their homes, and restricted their right to travel and work. When the current war broke out Gaza had been under an Israeli blockade since 2007. I will repeat again that while enduring persecution through the centuries the Jews have in the process acquired many of the qualities of their persecutors.Our policy can, in effect, be expressed like this: "We're working toward solutions to the Palestinian problem, but in the meantime we will allow, enable and even assist in the continued violent hostility and apartheid practiced by Israel against the Palestinians." Israel's actions and the coincident inaction by the nations of the world breeds desperation in the Palestinian people, and desperation finds expression in a multitude of ways, as it has with many peoples throughout time.--Percy

Lets be honest. We support Israel for our own selfish reasons. Palestine has nothing to offer us.

First, Israel's in Palestine.Second, all countries look out for their own interests. What matters is how it's done. Does a country engage in diplomacy seeking mutual benefit, or does it engage in coercion and force?Putting this is the context of Israel, it isn't supporting Israel that is wrong. It's the way we support Israel that is wrong. We both acquiesce and assist Israel in its coercion, appropriation, force and genocide against defenseless Palestinian civilians.--Percy

Israel is always attacked first, historically. Critics say that they wage an offensive war, but it can be argued that it is ultimately a defensive war. It takes two to make war. Whose side are you on?

I know Percy. He is going to argue that he is on the side of humanity. My initial argument was that the United States grew to want a strong ally in the Middle East where all(most of) the oil is. Israel was to be in a sense the guardian of Mid East resources. The Muslim extremists historically wanted to eliminate Israel. Perhaps the United States saw it as a threat to the region and to the rights to trade for the oil. That is one reason that we built up Israel disproportionately. Im sure the humanist would ask why we don't help all of the people of the region equally. The answer is that we want the business to keep flowing in our direction. Palestine has no oil. Iraq did, and it was why we went to war there.

Your inhumanity is on full display in the information and arguments you're refusing to even acknowledge.--Percy

I DO acknowledge that I am making an inhumane argument, but it is in my opinion the attitude of the United States. We need oil like a junkie needs heroin. And our inhumanity may be our demise.Trump and Co. may court Saudi Arabia and try and reestablish relations between Israel, US and Saudi Arabia. But they have the BRICS who back Iran to deal with. And China is a rival courter.

In my opinion, the Green New Deal was premature. Trump wants to go back to reliance on oil at environmental expense. Our greed and desire for cheap gasoline may also be an example of our inhumanity.

I think that for many Israelis, Palestine is now Israel. Critics will argue that a two state solution is the only way forward but Israel would prefer that the extremists be relocated far away from them. There needs to be an international guarantee of peace, but Israel will never surrender their autonomy and in addition to all of this, it is a religious issue. The US Christians got involved and mucked it all up.

It doesn't matter how many people hold inhumane opinions. Inhumanity - man's inhumanity to man - is still wrong. We're a net exporter of oil. This is another goulash of questionable stuff. China and Iran are members of BRICS. The political relationships between the countries are full of contradiction. For just a couple, Brazil has close relationships with both Israel and Iran, and with both Russia and the United States.--Percy