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Percy Member Posts: 22945 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 6.9 |
Donald Trump has won the 2024 presidential election. Predictions that come to mind at the moment:
Trump may very well win both the electoral college and the popular vote. If he wins the popular vote he would be only the second Republican presidential candidate to achieve this in the last 36 years. --Percy Edited by Percy, .
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Phat Member Posts: 18647 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.3 |
I remember an old post you made where you asked rhetorically, "Is this who we really are?" I can't believe he got in, but I am not looking forward to the global future.
Of course most conservative church folk voted for him, but what carried him was the Latino vote, as well as the uneducated white vote.(I suppose many elitists would put me in this category! ) My only prediction is a gloomy one. I believe that both the United States and Israel will be judged for their actions in the next four years. (as well as the past two). For those who don't believe in God as the judge, substitute "the rest of the world". I'm not as scared of Trump as many of you are, but I certainly don't see him as "the smart guy that he portrays himself as. We all are gonna have to own this one. Yes Percy, evidently this *is* who we are. Edited by Phat, : changed terminology Edited by Phat, : spelling
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Percy Member Posts: 22945 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 6.9 |
Another prediction:
--Percy
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Taq Member Posts: 10299 Joined: Member Rating: 7.2 |
Percy writes: The situation for illegal immigrants will become more dire, both for those trying to enter the country and those already in the country. Businesses that "employ" (exploit) immigrants, whether legal or illegal, will have a harder time finding workers, especially agriculture. Living in a rural state, I find this one to be the most intriguing. I will be interested to see what happens when Trump's rhetoric runs into the real world. How will his rural base react to not having enough workers come harvest time, or having to pay much higher wages. I will also be curious to see what happens when Trump learns who actually pays tariffs.
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Phat Member Posts: 18647 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.3 |
I am curious about who will fill Trump's cabinet. One name that I read about was Elbridge Colby.
I don't know that much about any of these people, but I certainly don't want to see RFK Jr. in charge of health since I heard that he was once an anti-vaxxer. I'm sure that Theodoric thinks that I have supported Trump all along, largely due to my references to Colonel Douglas MacGregor, but I am certainly not a warmonger. I want peace and cooperation. The reconciliation that Trump seemed to propose regarding a divided America is directed at our global adversaries in my opinion. Trump wants to do business and make some money off of the world. Whether this is the best path to peace is up for debate. I learned about Tariffs from you guys and am not in favor of that approach to geopolitical diplomacy and strategy. Russia is not our friend. They are already at economic war with us as I have pointed out before.
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Phat Member Posts: 18647 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.3 |
I will also be curious to see what happens when Trump learns who actually pays tariffs. I learned about it from you. Surely he has to know. What will end up happening is that the middle class will continue to be squeezed by higher prices as the dollar continues its slow decline. I will point out that de-dollarization is a bi-partisan issue. That reminds me...I need to check the markets. Damn! Gold and silver are both now going down! The Dow jumped a thousand points. Its all inflated dollars anyway.
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Taq Member Posts: 10299 Joined: Member Rating: 7.2
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Phat writes: I learned about it from you. Surely he has to know. Assuming Trump does know: This opens a Pandora's box of different conclusions. Did he lie about how tariffs work because he never thought he would actually win? Does he plan on continuing the lie and put tariffs in place? Did he never have any intention of putting tariffs on all imports, but just said it to win votes? Assuming Trump doesn't know: Whiskey tango foxtrot. Added in edit:Trump claimed we could replace income tax with tariffs. Just to put some numbers on this: 2023 revenue from income tax = 2.18 T2023 imported goods = 3.83 T average tariff needed = 57% Edited by Taq, .
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Zucadragon Member Posts: 142 From: Netherlands Joined: |
Right right, another measure then that disproportionally favors the rich, they have a higher tax rate on their income, so they'll gain the most from that.
The poorest will get only a small benefit from this. Yet at the same time, the increase in goods cost from such Tariffs would be 50%+, meaning the cost of living goes up a lot for the poor in comparison to the richest, who probably won't even notice the difference, because they're rich. Great fun, did I get this right?
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Percy Member Posts: 22945 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 6.9
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Zucadragon writes in Message 8: Great fun, did I get this right? Yep. Trump's tariff proposal would shift more of the tax burden from the rich to the poor. I don't think it's possible to create a progressive tax structure in a representative democracy where the rich can lobby representatives for special treatment in return for donations, gifts, etc., without limit. Combined with the ability of politicians to convince millions of people of lies I think we've reached the point where we only resemble a representative democracy in that on a designated day each year we make marks on pieces of paper. --Percy
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Tangle Member Posts: 9580 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 6.6 |
The next waypoint is Trump's sentencing hearing.
Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine. "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8654 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 6.7 |
My understanding is that Trump v. United States (2024) confers immunity to the presidency against any such investigations, charges or Federal Court actions.
Trump v. United States | 603 U.S. ___ (2024) | Justia U.S. Supreme Court Center Already the federal prosecutors are closing up shop from Jack Smith to the Florida documents cases. Special counsel Jack Smith expected to wind down Trump prosecutions: Sources - ABC News What are left are the state cases and the Hush Money case. Even these may soon fall under the SCOTUS Immunity ruling.
Oct. 15, 2024 Trump, in a filing, again asks the U.S. Second Circuit Court of Appeals to transfer his New York criminal hush money case to federal court in an effort to stall his Nov. 26 sentencing or throw out his conviction altogether. Timeline: Manhattan DA's Stormy Daniels hush money case against Donald Trump - ABC News Right now, I don't think any jurisdiction can touch him. No. He is not going to jail. Edited by AZPaul3, . “There’s simply no polite way to tell people they’ve dedicated their lives to an illusion,” -Daniel Dennett Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!
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Percy Member Posts: 22945 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 6.9 |
At this point I'm only capable of watching in horror, and I can't even do that because I can't bring myself to look at the news. It won't really begin to get bad until January 20th - maybe I'll have developed more intestinal fortitude by then.
I wonder if those who voted for Trump will ever realize what they have done, or will they not even realize their democracy is gone? --Percy
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Phat Member Posts: 18647 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.3 |
Percy writes: I have been at our union contract negotiations and have watched in disbelief as the rulings begin to change before our eyes. The merger, once dead in the water, may assume a new life after January 20th. The pension will take a hit. Healthcare may change. Even Social Security may now be in jeopardy. It is not a good time to grow old.
I wonder if those who voted for Trump will ever realize what they have done, or will they not even realize their democracy is gone?
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dwise1 Member Posts: 6076 Joined: Member Rating: 7.2 |
I wonder if those who voted for Trump will ever realize what they have done, or will they not even realize their democracy is gone? At least we know that they will not make that same mistake again. Remember that Trump had promised his followers that they will never have to vote again.
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Percy Member Posts: 22945 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 6.9 |
Nevada and Arizona have not been called yet in this map, but whether they've been called officially or not they are definitely going for Trump, so this was an overwhelming electoral victory for Trump, 312-226:
The popular vote wasn't close either (not a final tally): 72,957,805 to 68,415,122 (50.8% to 47.7%) Trump has a mandate. --Percy
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