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Taq
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Message 50 of 82 (921837)
01-31-2025 12:10 PM
Reply to: Message 49 by Phat
01-31-2025 11:33 AM


Re: DeepSeek R1 Tanks Nvidia
Phat writes:
Apparently, DeepSeek was developed at a fraction of the cost of ChatGPT and, though using lower-quality software, impressed enough people to shake the market.
[With the standard caveat that I am not a software expert]
I think that's a bit misleading. DeepSeek was trained by all of the massive AIs that cost so much. If those big, expensive AIs didn't exist then neither would DeepSeek. DeepSeek is essentially the student and the big AIs are its teachers. This also means DeepSeek isn't as accurate as those other AIs, not to mention all of the issues that will be inherited by DeepSeek. It is a perfect example of the overall Chinese industrial strategy which is to copy intellectual property from the west and make stuff with it.
At the same time, DeepSeek is good at what it does. It's light and pretty accurate. However, you still need those big AIs in order to teach these smaller and stripped down AIs.

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Message 54 of 82 (921906)
02-04-2025 11:59 AM
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01-31-2025 3:04 PM


Re: Caveat: I am not a software expert...
Phat writes:
China's strategy remains similar to how it has always been, with one difference being that they do have (most of) the rare earth minerals. Hard assets and commodities are everything. Rare earth minerals become priceless as rarity increases.
The US has many deposits of rare earth minerals that we could take advantage of. We don't because processing those minerals uses really nasty processes that produces a lot of toxic waste. That's why we let China do it. They are willing to ruin their environment in order to process rare earths, so we let them.
Would it be a good idea to process them ourselves? Probably. It's a question of willingness, not access.
Human indoctrination can be done cheaply and effectively...Tik Tok showed us that.
Thousands of years of human religions have taught us that.

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