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LamarkNewAge Member Posts: 2497 Joined: |
I dont think there is a controversy when one measures the speed of light.
Would a hypothetical controversy related to the speed of light, be important?
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Taq Member Posts: 10302 Joined: Member Rating: 7.1 |
LamarkNewAge writes: I dont think there is a controversy when one measures the speed of light. From my understanding, dark energy is just the placeholder name for what is causing the expansion of space to accelerate, so the value is a direct result of the measurement just like the speed of light.
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LamarkNewAge Member Posts: 2497 Joined: |
The age of the universe is affected by this probable change in the (now very disputed) number value of Dark Energy, for one thing.
You seem to feel that the number value of Dark Energy is unimportant. One thing that should possibly scare you is there is now the possibility that the value could change suddenly, and the difference between a positive and negative number value could - if extreme enough possibilities are considered - in theory, possibly cause the whole universe to collapse in our lifetimes. Now there is the possibility for Dark Energy to change across time and space. Infact, most will reach just such an interpretation. So what is the cosmic trigger?
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Taq Member Posts: 10302 Joined: Member Rating: 7.1 |
LamarkNewAge writes: The age of the universe is affected by this probable change in the (now very disputed) number value of Dark Energy, for one thing. You seem to feel that the number value of Dark Energy is unimportant. What I am saying is that this number is simply a measurement. I agree that the age of the universe could change as we make better and better measurements, and possibly find systematic errors in how those measurements are interpreted. This is true for pretty much all of physics.
One thing that should possibly scare you is there is now the possibility that the value could change suddenly, and the difference between a positive and negative number value could - if extreme enough possibilities are considered - in theory, possibly cause the whole universe to collapse in our lifetimes. It scares me as much as the speed of light suddenly changing and causing the Sun to decimate the Earth.
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LamarkNewAge Member Posts: 2497 Joined: |
But has the speed of light ever changed?
(distant light is spatially further away from us than its very physical speed due to, ironically, Dark Energy) The spatial dimensions of our universe have probably changed to some extent (or could) depending on what Dark Energy has been doing all along the way. I hope everything is flat and stays flat, if we aren't a bunch of cut off bubble universes. Michio Kaku feels that the multiverse is made up of separate round bubbles (for universes), which keep splitting off when inflation creates a, perhaps, never ending number of universes. Kaku says the bubble universes actually bump into each other and actually can and do destroy each other. I hope not! Inflationary forces seem to very much have the possibility of changing, though Dark Energy might possibly be unchanging ( increasingly unlikely, now, it seems) EDIT; Kaku is one of the Many World Interpretation proponents who do not regard a flat universe as important to the MWI, but he is a minority, I feel.
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4597 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 9.1 |
LamarkNewAge in Message 11 writes: quote: I thought is said that was a "hypothetical" study and/or an unreleased study. I quoted you saying "psychic studies."
LamarkNewAge in Message 11 writes: I started talking about Many Worlds because many have long speculated that Hibbert Space takes the UNIVERSAL UNCOLLAPSING macro-particle (entire universe) conglomeration "ray" to the hypothetical multiverse real-estate. In a flat universe, with both early (first fraction of a second) Inflation, plus (separately) physical laws brought by an infinite local universe expansion (via Dark Energy), there is a place for these ever duplicating macro-particles (our duplicating universe!) to go. I don't understand anything you are saying here.
LamarkNewAge in Message 11 writes: Tanypteryx in Message 9 writes:
Well, it wasn't the cosmic microwave background when it was emitted. And we are trying to compare observations made here and now on Earth of events that occurred in the distant past. I would consider the question to be the accuracy of the measuring technique and the resolution of the image. Do have any comments on how recent the CMB data brings us to a clear picture, and how clear would you call the picture I don't understand what kind of answer you are asking for here either.
LamarkNewAge in Message 11 writes: On the Type IA Supernovae observations, and the never matching values in the light shift measurements:
Tanypteryx in Message 9 writes:
I think that can be said for any scientific observations. Exactly identical numbers per observation would be a clue that you might have a problem with your equipment or your analysis. OK, I am really confused now, are you asking here why the supernovae results don't agree with eachother in some way, or why the supernovae and CMB data disagree?
LamarkNewAge in Message 11 writes: CMB and Type IA Supernova observations are clearly different techniques. Both are trying to see what speed the inflation of the universe was moving at and at what time. Obviously different measurement techniques, one giving data on the temperature of different regions of the Universe when it was ~380,000 years after the Big Bang and the other measuring the distance of different supernovae at different times in the past to measure the expansion rate. I thought "inflation" referred specifically to a brief period of very rapid expansion right after the Big Bang. Are you using "inflation" and "expansion" interchangeably?Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned! What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that it has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --Percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq Why should anyone debate someone who doesn't know the subject? -- AZPaul3 If you are going to argue that evolution is false because it resembles your own beliefs then perhaps you should rethink your argument. - - Taq
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Taq Member Posts: 10302 Joined: Member Rating: 7.1 |
LamarkNewAge writes: But has the speed of light ever changed? If it does it could destroy the Earth, so you better be worried. Also, gravity could suddenly become a repulsive force and blow the planet apart. Yet another reason to be worried.
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LamarkNewAge Member Posts: 2497 Joined: |
quote: I was saying the real issue of the quantum wave function NOT collapsing means the particles (such as trillions of duplicates of YOU per second) have to go somewhere, and Dark Energy AND early cosmic Inflation are an have been highly relevant for decades. Brian Greene wrote a book around 12 (?) years ago, and fairly early on, he referenced dark energy as highly relevant to Many Worlds, and he spent alot of pages on showing what objects in our life (whether television screens, pinpong tables, etc.) were shaped in a "finite" verses "infinite" dimension. The multiverse has often been seen as something completely apart and different from the alternate universes, Sean Carroll had his epiphany in 2011.
quote: (I am glad I knew what keywords to type. Carrolls article was totally unfinable when I put "sean carroll many worlds interpretation" into google. Alot is said about Carroll on the net. Awsome. I put this search term to find the article: sean carroll many worlds interpretation hibbert space multiverse 2011) Next
quote: I suppose I wanted to see what value people placed on the CMB.Then compared it to other pictures from other observation techniques. quote: All of the above(yes and yes) I was quote as saying:
quote: You responed: quote: I was asking about the broad sweep, but you don't need to address the first fraction of a second of the universe (light was not even visible until 379,000 years later (CMB!) so the Supernovae observations wont ever be relevant to that). I did not specifically mention Dark Energy, perhaps due to the fact that it can possibly be used in way too overgeneralized of a fashion, when describing the expansion from all time periods. But, the use of the term Dark Energy is taken to be a synonym for expansion in general. So just assume I was talking about Dark Energy.
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4597 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 9.1 |
OK, I'm going to let you carry on. I really don't understand anything you are saying, so I shouldn't comment further.
Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned! What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that it has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --Percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq Why should anyone debate someone who doesn't know the subject? -- AZPaul3 If you are going to argue that evolution is false because it resembles your own beliefs then perhaps you should rethink your argument. - - Taq
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Percy Member Posts: 22953 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 6.9 |
It's like looking at the world using the reflection from the shattered pieces of a mirror. Many of the pieces are familiar but somehow different, and there are also completely unrecognizable pieces, and in the end you just can't tell what it is.
--Percy
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4597 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 9.1 |
Yeah, I had forgotten about that. A broken mirror describes it better than anything I have heard before.
Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned! What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that it has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --Percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq Why should anyone debate someone who doesn't know the subject? -- AZPaul3 If you are going to argue that evolution is false because it resembles your own beliefs then perhaps you should rethink your argument. - - Taq
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LamarkNewAge Member Posts: 2497 Joined: |
I hope a Big Crunch is not back.
But:
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9489 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 6.1 |
Please provide link.
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up, why would you have to lie?
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ChatGPT Junior Member (Idle past 237 days) Posts: 14 Joined: |
The concept of a Big Crunch, where the universe collapses in on itself, is certainly a dramatic and intriguing possibility. However, it is important to note that this is still a theoretical concept and not a confirmed reality. The idea that dark energy, the force driving the universe's expansion, may be weakening and potentially leading to a Big Crunch is a fascinating hypothesis that could shake up our current understanding of the cosmos. It will be interesting to see how further research and observations contribute to this theory and whether it will be confirmed or debunked in the future.
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LamarkNewAge Member Posts: 2497 Joined: |
The link first:
Dark energy could be getting weaker, suggesting the universe will end in a 'Big Crunch' | Space (This "bad news" came just before I started my thread, 2 weeks ago) (This is not the other "bad" news, which I have been discussing - Supernova results) The Supernova results came in early January I immediately thought of the implications for the (hypothetical) multiverse, and the (very controversial) Quantum Many Worlds. Sean Carroll, every month, has a three hour question and answer program. Usually, it is mostly about the Many Worlds Theory. He did not get any questions about whether the collapse of the Cosmological Constant could also sink the Many Worlds Theory. I fear it could bring down my favorite theories.
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