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Author Topic:   Cosmological Constant and Dark Energy has been in the news for months.
Tanypteryx
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Message 3 of 53 (917480)
04-09-2024 9:31 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by LamarkNewAge
04-09-2024 12:52 AM


(Copenhagen is still about to get buried overnight, when psychic studies are finally released

The relevant study, released in January (But the developing results have been leaked for years).
Really? Psychic studies?
I feel it is a blow to see the absolutely perfect critical density Dark Energy number miracle fall apart.
So, I think it's interesting that the microwave background observations indicate a different expansion rate for the Universe than the observations of Type 1A supernovae, but it seems clear that they must not be measuring the exact same thing, one or the other, or both, have some unknown factors that are skewing the results.
I'm not sure what you want to discuss, or if you really meant psychic studies and miracles, or if it's your personal feelings about cosmology as if you have a stake in the final explanation?

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Message 9 of 53 (917497)
04-09-2024 3:10 PM
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04-09-2024 2:18 PM


The relevant study had to do with what I quoted. The Chilean observatory DES study.
Really? I couldn't find anything related to "psychic studies."
The early universe, at 379,000 years old, is clearly "flat". Per CMB.

I dont think there is debate on the first 380,000 years.
Well, it wasn't the cosmic microwave background when it was emitted. And we are trying to compare observations made here and now on Earth of events that occurred in the distant past.
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I'm not sure what you want to discuss, or if you really meant psychic studies and miracles, or if it's your personal feelings about cosmology as if you have a stake in the final explanation?
What is magic to one generation is science to another.
What is a miracle to one generation is part of the known physical laws of the universe to another.
You seem to be taking us from science to magic and miracles, rather than the other way around.
This hasn't made it any clearer what you want to discuss.
The expansion rate of the universe, per Type 1A SUPERNOVAE observations, never has had exactly identical numbers per observation.
I think that can be said for any scientific observations. Exactly identical numbers per observation would be a clue that you might have a problem with your equipment or your analysis.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!
What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that it has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --Percy
The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
Why should anyone debate someone who doesn't know the subject? -- AZPaul3

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Message 21 of 53 (917534)
04-09-2024 6:08 PM
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04-09-2024 3:30 PM


LamarkNewAge in Message 11 writes:
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Really? I couldn't find anything related to "psychic studies."
I thought is said that was a "hypothetical" study and/or an unreleased study.
I quoted you saying "psychic studies."
LamarkNewAge in Message 11 writes:
I started talking about Many Worlds because many have long speculated that Hibbert Space takes the UNIVERSAL UNCOLLAPSING macro-particle (entire universe) conglomeration "ray" to the hypothetical multiverse real-estate.

In a flat universe, with both early ​(first fraction of a second) Inflation, plus (separately) physical laws brought by an infinite local universe expansion (via Dark Energy), there is a place for these ever duplicating macro-particles (our duplicating universe!) to go.
I don't understand anything you are saying here.
LamarkNewAge in Message 11 writes:
Tanypteryx in Message 9 writes:
Well, it wasn't the cosmic microwave background when it was emitted. And we are trying to compare observations made here and now on Earth of events that occurred in the distant past.
I would consider the question to be the accuracy of the measuring technique and the resolution of the image. Do have any comments on how recent the CMB data brings us to a clear picture, and how clear would you call the picture
I don't understand what kind of answer you are asking for here either.
LamarkNewAge in Message 11 writes:
On the Type IA Supernovae observations, and the never matching values in the light shift measurements:
Tanypteryx in Message 9 writes:
I think that can be said for any scientific observations. Exactly identical numbers per observation would be a clue that you might have a problem with your equipment or your analysis.
OK, I am really confused now, are you asking here why the supernovae results don't agree with eachother in some way, or why the supernovae and CMB data disagree?
LamarkNewAge in Message 11 writes:
CMB and Type IA Supernova observations are clearly different techniques.

Both are trying to see what speed the inflation of the universe was moving at and at what time.
Obviously different measurement techniques, one giving data on the temperature of different regions of the Universe when it was ~380,000 years after the Big Bang and the other measuring the distance of different supernovae at different times in the past to measure the expansion rate.
I thought "inflation" referred specifically to a brief period of very rapid expansion right after the Big Bang. Are you using "inflation" and "expansion" interchangeably?

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!
What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that it has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --Percy
The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
Why should anyone debate someone who doesn't know the subject? -- AZPaul3
If you are going to argue that evolution is false because it resembles your own beliefs then perhaps you should rethink your argument. - - Taq

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Message 24 of 53 (917540)
04-09-2024 8:55 PM
Reply to: Message 23 by LamarkNewAge
04-09-2024 6:58 PM


OK, I'm going to let you carry on. I really don't understand anything you are saying, so I shouldn't comment further.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!
What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that it has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --Percy
The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
Why should anyone debate someone who doesn't know the subject? -- AZPaul3
If you are going to argue that evolution is false because it resembles your own beliefs then perhaps you should rethink your argument. - - Taq

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Message 26 of 53 (917555)
04-10-2024 9:33 AM
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04-10-2024 7:22 AM


Yeah, I had forgotten about that. A broken mirror describes it better than anything I have heard before.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!
What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that it has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --Percy
The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
Why should anyone debate someone who doesn't know the subject? -- AZPaul3
If you are going to argue that evolution is false because it resembles your own beliefs then perhaps you should rethink your argument. - - Taq

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Message 33 of 53 (917866)
04-19-2024 10:02 AM
Reply to: Message 32 by ChatGPT
04-19-2024 9:29 AM


Re: Space.com article by Robert Lea argues Big Crunch is back
Welcome ChatGPT.
So an LLM is having a discussion about cosmic spirituality with a conspiracy hypothecist who is panicked about the Big Crunch that is coming in 20 trillion years. This could be interesting, or disturbing, or boring, or something.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!
What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that it has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --Percy
The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
Why should anyone debate someone who doesn't know the subject? -- AZPaul3
If you are going to argue that evolution is false because it resembles your own beliefs then perhaps you should rethink your argument. - - Taq

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