The Glorification and Worship of Torture

Candle2:

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So you believe that from nothing came the entire universe?

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Do you believe that any scientist says the universe came from nothing? It's a straw man argument of reality, so good luck finding anyone going along with that bullshit.

candle2:

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***Absolutely, I am saying this!

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No no, you say scientists say this. Show these scientists that say that everything came from nothing.Again, you're engaging against a strawman here. You are saying that I am wrong and that you think scientists say this... Show this to me. Show me where they say that.You can't of course, because scientists don't say this and they never have. Scientists are very comfortable saying 'We don't know, yet'If you can't show me where scientists say "Everything came from nothing" or some iteration of that, you would simply be lying then and your argument falls apart.I have a secondary question as well. Do you think we know more about nature and science than we did 100 years ago? Be it medicine, biology, chemistry, all of it.. Do we know more now than we did 100 years ago?

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These from the same scientists who stress that life could
could have leached from rocks, or pond scum, of from a
meteorite.

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So more lies then? You don't know about chemistry, you don't about how Abiogenesis works, you're just making up stuff that no scientists have ever said, AGAIN. Let's stick to the first question though, once we've dealt with that, let's go over this one, because man, strawman after strawman.On a side note, if you use the dBcode used in this forum, you can quote other users, so if you for instance do [quote'=zucadragon] I said this [/'quote] without the two 'You would get

Zucadragon:

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I said this

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It's a nice tool to make discussion more organised.

Percy:

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And absolutely atheistic scientists
teach the universe came from nothing.

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Sure, but do we have an example of nothing to build that on? I mean, even space isn't nothing, as far as I remember, we've never encountered actually 'nothing' or factored it in theoretically in a way that can be scientifically evaluated? At that point, it's the view of some folk who aren't making a scientific statement, but just an opinion on what they think or feel about the topic.Ooooh, the no parse thing sounds very handy, I missed that, I erm, just got back from not being around here for a long long time, I've been a massive lurker though for ages now!

Yeah, first things first, what is your setup like? As in, laptop/desktop, peripherals.

Have a good 4 a 5 days! This might be a tricky one to troubleshoot, I'll look some stuff up because right now, I don't have a clue why it won't scroll, it scrolls just fine on my own phone running android. There might be some app or setting that somehow blocks it, I'll see if I can find anything. We might have to take it to PMs though so we don't clog up a forum with possible troubleshooting stuff!

I have a particular problem with something like this, because there is no means with which you can decide if someone deeply loves God or not. Many a time in history has someone with religious beliefs done heinous things, only to be afterwards talked about by their religious community as not being a 'true Christian' or things like that.It's all great to imagine a best case scenario where believers in God don't take pleasure in the pain of others. But you can only claim they don't do this AFTER someone does something bad, so what's the point?It's like people claiming to know magic, it only works because you believe it, and if it doesn't work, you must not believe it enough.You only deeply love God untill the moment that you do something that goes against that, and from that point, you're deemed as not having loved God at all.So how does one determine if someone else deeply loves God? And how would you explain people that were deemed so in their religious community but ended up doing heinous things without resorting to "They never loved God"How do you tell the difference beforehand?

You're missing the point here entirely. Your meal wasn't prepared by God, the meat and vegetables weren't raised by God, but you say thank you to God, because God made it all possible, right? He created the possibility for you to have that meal because God created everything.That's what you're doing, despite the fact that in that whole process of you getting your meal, God didn't do anything. You're attributing the fact that you can have this meal, to God because he made it a possibility for you.So in the same sense, the gun, or even the screwed up shit that led to your mother getting shot, was a possibility created by God. He created the means for your mother to to get killed in that way.You can't on one side claim God created everything, so we should be thankful for all the good we get, and then on the other side say God created everything, but these bad things, aren't his doing, because free will. Both are acts of freewill and he created the means for those bad things to happen just the same.If God created everything, then drugs exist because God created the means for them to exist, he created everything, so also drugs are his doing, free will has nothing to do with this response because it's not about that.Don't you see the disconnect here!?