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Omnivorous
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Message 45 of 537 (915835)
02-18-2024 4:37 PM
Reply to: Message 44 by Tangle
02-18-2024 2:50 PM


Re: By the Numbers
I was distracted by the light-speed Milky Way ...
Now, how many pins was it again?
And how big are the angels?

"If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads."

Homo sum, humani nihil a me alienum puto.
-Terence


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Omnivorous
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Message 159 of 537 (916103)
02-24-2024 7:41 AM
Reply to: Message 156 by Phat
02-24-2024 6:20 AM


No
Phat writes:
I would say we are at a stalemate.
Well, you would -- achieving a stalemate from a losing position is an achievement of sorts.
Reason has wrestled with supernaturalism for centuries.
And reason is winning: frustratingly slowly, but winning nonetheless. Every time reason opens the door to a better, more humane life, while the supernatural huddles in its dark corner of denial, reason gains ground.
You are losing. Your offer of a draw is rejected.

"If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads."

Homo sum, humani nihil a me alienum puto.
-Terence


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Message 176 of 537 (916130)
02-24-2024 7:09 PM
Reply to: Message 171 by Phat
02-24-2024 3:57 PM


Re: By the Numbers
Phat writes:
You disbelieve that in the beginning was the Word but you have no problem with in the beginning Numbers and Chemicals. Which is human conceit.
You believe that the Great High Lord of Creation, Ruler of a Trillion Worlds, murmurs moral instruction directly into your auditory cortex. He holds an especially tender concern for your genitals and their uses.
Human conceit, indeed.

"If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads."

Homo sum, humani nihil a me alienum puto.
-Terence


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Message 288 of 537 (916330)
03-01-2024 6:26 AM
Reply to: Message 285 by ICANT
03-01-2024 12:58 AM


You fancied yourself a missionary to the godless evolutionists, but if we don't already believe you without evidence, you won't show us the evidence?
Our souls teeter on the verge of damnation ... and you wanna play golf?! Or go to the spa?
Your rhetoric rings as hollow as your faith.

"If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads."

Homo sum, humani nihil a me alienum puto.
-Terence


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Omnivorous
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Message 329 of 537 (916474)
03-04-2024 4:23 PM
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03-04-2024 3:56 PM


Re: A wee bit of amateur philosophy
Phat writes:
Basically he argues that in order for something to exist something always had to exist. If at any time there was nothing, logic dictates that there would now be nothing.

Existence precedes essence.~John Paul Sarte

Comments?
That's not an argument. It's a bare assertion stated twice.
Must be true.

"If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads."

Homo sum, humani nihil a me alienum puto.
-Terence


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Omnivorous
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Message 343 of 537 (916497)
03-05-2024 10:00 AM
Reply to: Message 336 by Phat
03-05-2024 1:45 AM


Re: A wee bit of amateur philosophy
Phat writes:
That's not an argument. It's a bare assertion stated twice.

So what makes it illogical? Falsify it.
Look at it like this:
Let's look at your post in question again.
quote:
Basically he argues that in order for something to exist something always had to exist.
If at any time there was nothing, logic dictates that there would now be nothing.
If I construct a simple syllogism, like so:
All men are mortal.
Socrates is a man.
Therefore, Socrates is mortal.
True premises, sound logical structure.
Now identify what in your post corresponds to the premises above, and what to the conclusion? "Logic dictates" is empty handwaving, a rhetorical device. Logic is like an app for intellectual rigor, a spellcheck for reason, a hound on the trail of fallacies, but it's also garbage in, garbage out.

"If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads."

Homo sum, humani nihil a me alienum puto.
-Terence


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Message 391 of 537 (916838)
03-14-2024 7:45 AM
Reply to: Message 388 by AZPaul3
03-14-2024 12:49 AM


Re: The Historical Jesus: Did He Create the Universe?
We asked the thread, "What do you want?"
Thread replied, "I want to die."
‐--------
I'm sticking with the universe created Jesus. Maybe.

"If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads."

Homo sum, humani nihil a me alienum puto.
-Terence


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Omnivorous
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Message 400 of 537 (916914)
03-16-2024 10:33 AM
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03-16-2024 10:13 AM


Re: Rahvin vs Scripture
He was elected to the House of Representatives.

"If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads."

Homo sum, humani nihil a me alienum puto.
-Terence


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Omnivorous
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Message 404 of 537 (916920)
03-16-2024 2:37 PM
Reply to: Message 403 by NosyNed
03-16-2024 2:18 PM


Re: McFall Fail
The truth really is stranger than faction.

"If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads."

Homo sum, humani nihil a me alienum puto.
-Terence


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Omnivorous
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Message 406 of 537 (916926)
03-16-2024 4:16 PM
Reply to: Message 405 by candle2
03-16-2024 2:49 PM


Re: Rahvin vs Scripture
candle2 writes:
I do not believe that the Bible teaches unrepentant
sinners will burn in flames for eternity. He is not that
kind of God.
Got it, good God, loving father. But...
However, there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth
when they witness what they will miss out on.
Uh oh. Daddy is angry. Where did the love go?
They will be put to death for all eternity
Because he's just that kind of God-- vengeful, wrathful, lethal; an Old Testament god, pleased to birth children into pain and misery, let them die en masse in horrific ways, then pull them from their graves to kill them all over again, while he torments them.
This is a god crafted by slave-holding, tribal societies needing a big authority stick.
I don't mean this to be offensive, but I am fully convinced
that everyone knows that God exists. Many just refuse to
accept this fact.
I know. You're just that kinda guy.

"If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads."

Homo sum, humani nihil a me alienum puto.
-Terence


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Message 410 of 537 (916938)
03-17-2024 12:47 PM
Reply to: Message 408 by candle2
03-17-2024 11:25 AM


Re: Rahvin vs Scripture
candle2 writes:
Also, God killed all but eight people via a worldwide flood.
He killed the inhabitants of Sodom and its sister cities.
Your God did nothing but inhabit your imagination.
This world can trace its roots to natural laws and energies, both more subtle and vast beyond your petty tyrant of the biblical narrative, a monster no better than Cronus eating his gets.
In time, the primitive myths you worship will go the way of animal sacrifice.
He has the authority to judge.
By your worship of that judgment, we know you.

"If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads."

Homo sum, humani nihil a me alienum puto.
-Terence


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Omnivorous
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Message 414 of 537 (916942)
03-17-2024 4:28 PM
Reply to: Message 412 by Phat
03-17-2024 3:48 PM


Re: Rahvin vs Scripture
Say what?

"If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads."

Homo sum, humani nihil a me alienum puto.
-Terence


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Omnivorous
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Message 415 of 537 (916943)
03-17-2024 4:34 PM
Reply to: Message 413 by candle2
03-17-2024 4:08 PM


The Trouble with Trimbles
candle2 writes:
It is easy for someone to act all big and bad, until they
face God; then they will trimble like scared little girls.
Tee hee!
Get out more, brother -- little girls are getting pretty badass.

"If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads."

Homo sum, humani nihil a me alienum puto.
-Terence


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Omnivorous
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Message 420 of 537 (916948)
03-17-2024 5:06 PM
Reply to: Message 417 by Theodoric
03-17-2024 4:50 PM


Re: Rahvin vs Scripture
Yup, and a bit giddy.

"If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads."

Homo sum, humani nihil a me alienum puto.
-Terence


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Omnivorous
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Message 452 of 537 (917052)
03-19-2024 9:43 PM
Reply to: Message 440 by candle2
03-19-2024 9:03 AM


Re: The Trouble with Trimbles
candle2 writes:
Omnivorous, you wrote:

Tee hee!

"Get out more, brother -- little girls are getting pretty
badass."

***Little girls are not, neither are little boys. In fact, none
of us are. However, there are far too many who think they
are.
At 72, facing the constellation of ills the flesh is heir to, I neither possess nor care much about badassery.
The sweetest, most innocent little girl who ever lived is more badass than a made-up creature of vengeance and torment.
However, you may have perceived a core truth about me: you could conceivably persuade me this god entity exists, and I still wouldn't worship it.

"If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads."

Homo sum, humani nihil a me alienum puto.
-Terence


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