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Phat
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Message 1 of 16 (915016)
02-08-2024 11:40 PM


Everyone's favorite conservative journalist, Tucker Carlson, made the interview he recently had with Czar Vlad the Condemned, as you all call him. Putin was his usual self, but was impressive in his unrehearsed monologue detailing Russian History (as he saw it) and chiding the United States for the same things I do...namely being reckless with the US Dollar. He chalks it up to arrogance and elitism. I don't argue against that at all. You all favor the ruling progressives over the Populists, but maybe you should stop and evaluate the damages they have caused through erroneous foreign policy decisions.

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Message 2 of 16 (915017)
02-08-2024 11:58 PM
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02-08-2024 11:40 PM


You mean like invading Ukraine.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!
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Message 3 of 16 (915019)
02-09-2024 12:23 AM
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02-08-2024 11:40 PM


You all favor the ruling progressives
Which progressives are ruling, Phat?
If progressives were in charge I'd be an awful lot less angry at the US government.
I've said this to you multiple times: The Democrats are center-right. There is a tiny branch of progressives (still not true leftists) in the Democrat coalition, but they have almost no actual power in the caucus.
Joe Biden is not a progressive. Not even remotely close. Leftists hate Biden possibly even more than most Republicans do.
Chuck Schumer is not a progressive. He is a liberal. So is Nancy Pelosi and most of the other bogeymen of the right. The Senate has a tiny majority controlled by center-right liberals, not progressives, not leftists.
erroneous foreign policy decisions.
American foreign policy is evil. It has been evil for as long as it has been relevant. On very, very rare occasion, the broken clock happens upon the right time, and American foreign policy does something that doesn't only serve American interests, but also helps others.
Leftists view American foreign policy as oppression and colonialism and exploitation. And those are the polite words.
I don't know where you calibrated your political compass, but I don't think you touch base with reality at large very often.

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Message 4 of 16 (915020)
02-09-2024 6:06 AM
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Phat in Message 1 writes:
Everyone's favorite conservative journalist, Tucker Carlson, made the interview he recently had with Czar Vlad the Condemned, as you all call him.
I call him Vladimir Putin.
Putin was his usual self, but was impressive in his unrehearsed monologue detailing Russian History (as he saw it) and chiding the United States for the same things I do...namely being reckless with the US Dollar.
It's not you chiding the United States for anything. It's you repeating things you don't understand from YouTube videos. That you're echoing statements from people who share the same viewpoint as Vladimir Putin should worry you. Do you really believe that if the U.S. were following misguided monetary policy that Vladimir Putin would be the one doing us the favor of calling it to our attention.
You all favor the ruling progressives over the Populists,...
No, we don't. A pox on all their houses, just a bigger one on insurrectionists and would-be dictators.
...but maybe you should stop and evaluate the damages they have caused through erroneous foreign policy decisions.
The U.S. has been a global bully since at least the Spanish-American War.
--Percy

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Message 5 of 16 (915021)
02-09-2024 6:36 AM
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02-08-2024 11:40 PM


I am sure that Putin only wants the Sudetenland

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Message 6 of 16 (915022)
02-09-2024 7:04 AM
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02-08-2024 11:40 PM


So Liar Tuck, the $787, 500,000 defamer, sat down with Vlad The Impaler of Ukraine for a frank discussion, one monster to another.
Since they share the common goal of disrupting American democracy, that's a natural. The GOP will welcome Liar Tuck back home with open arms, because anyone who resists fascism is a tranny commie, and the KGB-trained-assassin commie invading our allied democracy, is simply misunderstood. He has our best fiscal interests at heart.
Say, Phat, I have some magic beans for sale.
How much gold you got?

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Message 7 of 16 (915023)
02-09-2024 7:20 AM
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Phat cheers on a sociopathic, autocratic, madman
Wow! You think that interview made Putin look impressive? It was the ramblings of a sociopath.

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"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 8 of 16 (915024)
02-09-2024 8:15 AM
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Re: Phat cheers on a sociopathic, autocratic, madman
When I first saw your subtitle, I thought Phat had shifted to defending Trump, despite Phat's earlier insistence that he could not.
But I suspect he will.
Years ago, I concluded Phat was an ill-informed but well-intentioned dupe of the most absurd propaganda, struggling to leave that behind along with his other addictions.
Now, well, if it walks like a troll and talks like a troll ... whatever it thinks it is, it's a troll.

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Message 9 of 16 (915025)
02-09-2024 8:36 AM
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Re: Phat cheers on a sociopathic, autocratic, madman
At times I think Phat is just a very committed troll of the highest order. Then I return to reality and remember that he is just an ignorant addict expressing one of his addictions. I gave up pitying him long ago. Willful ignorance should not be pitied it should be shamed.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 10 of 16 (915077)
02-09-2024 7:23 PM
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Phat writes:
Putin was his usual self, but was impressive in his unrehearsed monologue detailing Russian History (as he saw it) and chiding the United States for the same things I do...namely being reckless with the US Dollar.
Russian history is what should make you very, very concerned. The Russian borders, as they sit right now, are indefensible. It's wide open tank/horse/infantry country from their western border to Moscow and all other meaningful population centers. This is why Russia has been conquered so many times throughout its history. In order to solve this problem they have to conquer the countries that border Russia and then defend the gaps that lead to the wide open country in Russia. This means conquering all of the nations that used to be part of the old Soviet system.
The rather obvious problem is that many of those countries are now NATO countries (e.g. Poland). If Russia is not stopped in Ukraine then it leads to conflict with NATO countries and a much bigger war in Europe that will necessarily include the US. By supplying arms to Ukraine we are preventing this awful outcome on the cheap.

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Message 11 of 16 (915102)
02-09-2024 8:24 PM
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Phat writes:
chiding the United States for the same things I do...namely being reckless with the US Dollar.
The US Dollar is still the most trusted currency in the world and is currently also one of the strongest. If you want to trade your USD in for Rubles, go for it. However, the Ruble is trading at all time lows to the USD, so not sure if it is advisable.

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Message 12 of 16 (915114)
02-09-2024 10:47 PM
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The dollar is still surging. But Phat is hoping for an economic collapse so some authoritarian can save us all.
https://money.usnews.com/...-currencys-strength-reuters-poll

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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Message 13 of 16 (915164)
02-10-2024 4:04 PM
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Not Really
The Dollar isnt collapsing only because its still the strongest currency in the basket. I read a lot of commentaries and analysis on likely probable future trends. Peter Zeihan predicts that China will collapse sooner than will the United States.
The War in Ukraine is another story. There is likely little if any chance of Ukraine winning.
As for Israel, though I am against their tactics, I see no way that they will stop until the current generation of Hamas is rendered all but extinct. The problem there is that Palestine will simply grow more.(Hamas) A two-state solution is all but impossible.
Zeihan sees no gloomy future for our economy apart from inflation, which won't simply go away.

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Message 14 of 16 (915166)
02-10-2024 5:28 PM
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Re: Not Really
The Dollar isnt collapsing only because its still the strongest currency in the basket. I read a lot of commentaries and analysis on likely probable future trends. Peter Zeihan predicts that China will collapse sooner than will the United States.
...
Zeihan sees no gloomy future for our economy apart from inflation, which won't simply go away.
That's a bunch of vague not-even-claims and a name-drop to your favorite YouTube "economist."
It sounds like you've heard some people say some things, and it gave you some big scary feelings about the US dollar and the US economy. Are you able to point out any specifics? In what way specifically do you believe US economic policy has been mismanaged? Even just one specific example.
The War in Ukraine is another story. There is likely little if any chance of Ukraine winning.
Based on what? What does "winning" look like, by your definition? What's your reasoning behind saying that their chances are small?
Estimates I've seen show that Russia can keep this up for a few more year, tops. They cannot replace all of the hardware they're losing. What Ukraine needs is constant resupply from the West - they have everything else they need to prevent Russia from encroaching further and taking over the country. They may or may not be able to recover all of Crimea, which was lost at the true start of this invasion, but as long as they continue to be supplied they can bleed Russia until they have no more equipment to send.
The trick is aid from the West. Interesting how Putin's goals of conquest align so well with certain political figures who are currently holding up that aid.
As for Israel, though I am against their tactics, I see no way that they will stop until the current generation of Hamas is rendered all but extinct. The problem there is that Palestine will simply grow more.(Hamas) A two-state solution is all but impossible.
The Israel-Palestine conflict has existed for generations and has become cyclical. There is literally no way for Israel to "win" this with military force, if the victory condition is the elimination of "terrorism" from Gaza. The exception would be real total annihilation of the entire Palestinian population - not just genocide, but a completed genocide. There is some evidence that Israel intends exactly that. But outside of complete extermination, all that has happened is that Israel has guaranteed another generation of the conflict. If Hamas dissolves, a new group with a different name will simply rise. Possibly more than one. With tactics and personnel that Israel will not know.
It takes more soldiers than the entire country of Israel has to stage a military occupation of Gaza and the West bank. The numbers required for successful occupation of a resistant population are known, and high. It's the same reason America failed in Afghanistan - it was a fool's errand from the start.
A two-state solution is the only possibility, other than genocide or a complete redefinition of Israel.
You can look at Northern Ireland and the Good Friday agreement for an example of what peace would look like. Peace, not a ceasefire. Note that a member of Sinn Fein, not-really but kind-of the equivalent of Hamas, was just elected First minister, the first time a member of that "terrorist" group has been elected to such a high office. That's a little like a member of Hamas being elected to the Israeli Knesset. This is after 26 years since the agreement was signed. The peace is not a completely happy one. Many who were killed will never have "justice." For the sake of peace, the cyclical hatred needed to be stopped. There will remain sorrow and disappointment and pain for generations yet, but the peace offers the chance for a better future.
Israel and Palestine are similar. There is a history of colonialism, asymmetric warfare, terrorist attacks as resistance, reprisals. The situation is, (in my opinion) worse in Palestine. Peace is not won with bombs. Peace is not won by shooting everyone in a car, leaving a 6-year-old girl alone trapped with the dead corpses of her family for days, "clearing" the Red Crescent to rescue her, and then killing the ambulance drivers and the 6-year-old girl. That is what Israel is doing. They don't have to. It's not hurting Hamas. It's recruiting for Hamas. It's degrading international support for Israel. It's what Hamas wants, because they cannot possibly win a military victory against Israel.
Terrorism is a PR campaign with violence. The goal is not a military victory, because one side of the conflict has no ability to win one. The goal is to turn neutrals into supporters, to turn supporters into active members. The goal is to degrade the support of the major power's allies, and to give an opportunity to their own international sympathizers. And that is precisely what is happening.
You win against terrorism by subverting the terrorists. Be the organization that provides aid, helps provide autonomy and security, treats the people with dignity. Give the Palestinians a fair shake for the first time in 70 years. Fair includes full autonomy, not hamstrung deals that keep them totally at the mercy of Israel. None of this "Israel generously gives water necessary for life to Gaza." If you can turn off the spigot, you have control and they don't have autonomy.
At this point the hate is too strong and an international group is likely needed to broker the deal and provide security, standing between the two sides to enforce peace. But this is how you start a lasting, enduring peace.
Netanhayu doesn't want peace. He wants a scary bogeyman to keep his fragile political coalition together and avoid the criminal charges he has pending. It's the fascist playbook...again.

“The human understanding when it has once adopted an opinion (either as being the received opinion or as being agreeable to itself) draws all things else to support and agree with it.” - Francis Bacon

"There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs." - John Rogers

“A world that can be explained even with bad reasons is a familiar world. But, on the other hand, in a universe suddenly divested of illusions and lights, man feels an alien, a stranger. His exile is without remedy since he is deprived of the memory of a lost home or the hope of a promised land. This divorce between man and his life, the actor and his setting, is properly the feeling of absurdity.” – Albert Camus

"...the pious hope that by combining numerous little turds of variously tainted data, one can obtain a valuable result; but in fact, the outcome is merely a larger than average pile of shit." - Barash, David 1995...

"Many that live deserve death. And some die that deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then be not too eager to deal out death in the name of justice, fearing for your own safety. Even the wise cannot see all ends." - Gandalf, J. R. R. Tolkien: The Lord Of the Rings

"The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death."
1 Corinthians 15:26King James Version (KJV)

Nihil supernum


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Message 15 of 16 (915170)
02-10-2024 6:03 PM
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Re: Not Really
Who gives a flying fuck what this guy says? How is any of the relevant? You do realize that a little inflation is good do you not?

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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