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Author Topic:   Who Owns the Standard Definition of Evolution
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Message 9 of 698 (914876)
02-06-2024 4:44 PM
Reply to: Message 5 by K.Rose
02-06-2024 4:15 PM


K.Rose in Message 5 writes:
Something like:
​You are unlikely to get that.
I'll give my personal comments. Others may have different points of disagreement.
1. Evolution and Origin of life are to separate things. There could have been origin of life without evolution. Or life might have always existed in some form. It is generally agreed that origin of life has not been explained.
2. Again, this is too simplistic. We do not have a good definition of what we mean by "life".
It is conceivable that it all started with some chemical reactions that we would not consider to be life, but might have been a precursor to life. Precursors to life could have originated multiple times, and what see as life today could result from several different precursors.
3. We don't have a good definition of "more complex".
4. It isn't clear what "inferior" means here. Whether a mutation is beneficial depends on the environment. A succession of changes in the environment may have been an important driver of evolution.
5. Again, we have a difficulty with "complex". And we have a difficulty with "highest life form". It is not clear what those terms would mean.
6. Hooray -- I can agree with this one.

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Message 37 of 698 (914926)
02-07-2024 12:22 AM
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02-06-2024 5:39 PM


K.Rose in Message 12 writes:
We could conceivably define Evolution by agreeing on all of the things that Evolution is not, but it seems there should be a readily available concise definition.
Physicists do not have a clear definition of "physics". Scientists do not have a clear definition of "science". Mathematicians do not have a clear definition of "mathematics". Artists do not have a clear definition of "art".

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Message 71 of 698 (914972)
02-07-2024 9:38 PM
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02-07-2024 7:14 PM


K.Rose in Message 49 writes:
But Evolution is not such a broad category as Physics, and even if it were there are key principles in Evolution that demand controlled experimentation and supporting empirical results.
And, indeed, there is a lot of experimentation and empirical results.

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Message 226 of 698 (915149)
02-10-2024 12:38 PM
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02-10-2024 11:57 AM


ICANT in Message 222 writes:
Percy writes:
abiogenesis, is not part of evolutionary theory
Yes Percy I know you have been telling me that for 18 years.
And for that same 18 years I have been telling you if you don't have life existing there is nothing to evolve.
If you don't have God existing, then you cannot be a theist. And since you cannot tell us how God came to exist, then you must be an atheist.
I'm just using the same kind of reasoning that you are using. I don't actually believe it is valid reasoning, just as I don't believe your reasoning is valid.

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Message 428 of 698 (915552)
02-14-2024 6:41 PM
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02-14-2024 6:06 PM


K.Rose in Message 427 writes:
Atheism has sold itself as the neutral position in the separation of church and state battle, when in fact it is most doctrinaire in its absolutist approach to theism.
Atheism does not have any doctrines. How can it possibly be doctrinaire?
If it has not been proven then isn’t it just scientific theory?
Do you even understand what "theory" means within science?

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Message 432 of 698 (915558)
02-14-2024 8:05 PM
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02-14-2024 6:48 PM


K.Rose in Message 429 writes:
If, in all of that entry, this is what you choose to take issue with, then I must be hitting the nail on the head.
I disagree with a whole lot more. But it would be a waste of time bringing up issues where you have already shown that you are not willing to listen.

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