Why are we so bad at this?

Dwise, you stated:"If you knew anything at all, you would realize that relying
on complexity arguments is a very stupid mistake to make."***Okay, I will be waiting for you, in your infinite wisdom, to
tell us step by step by step exactly how the first cell created
itself.If you can do this, I will be amazed. If you can recreate this
feat, I will deny the existence of God.Then you can tell us step by step by step how the flagella
motor created itself. I will be amazed.The truth is that you can't. You know you can't, and I know you
can't. The entire world knows you can't.You can believe that the impossible happened if you want, but
unless you can replicate what you assert, it amounts to
nothing but faith; in fact a blind faith.You run your mouth as though doing so makes you look really
intelligent. Let me tell you that it doesn't work.I used to do the same thing, but then I grew up.​

ZUC, you stated:"So can we convince hard core believers in something,
probably not, but anyone on the fringe, is generally open
to learning more."***Right back at you, buddy.

Dwise, you wrote:"All you're telling us is how dishonest you are and how false
your religion is."
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"And how completely and stupidly ignorant you are that you are
completely incapable of answering a simple direct question."
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"What the fuck is so completely wrong with you?"***I have already asked if you believe in theistic evolution.
It is a simple question. Yes or no.If you do believe in TE, then there is no need to continue
with the completion of the cell.If you do not believe in the Creator, then you must explain
how the first cell evolved, and how it grew more and more
complex.This is what is wrong with me.

You fucking lying dishonest deceiving stupid idiot!There you go yet again demanding what we answer "questions" that are designed to be impossible to answer. "Questions" that demand extremely detailed step-by-step descriptions requiring complete knowledge that no non-expert could possibly be expected to possess. Are you going to deny that? You just now did it TWICE in each of your two "questions".And yet you steadfastly refuse to answer a simple question, one that is intended to be easy for you to answer, you hypocritical piece of shit! Here is that simple question yet again:

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"Remaining on topic, why do you think you’re not succeeding
in convincing anyone?"

Why are you so terrified of that simple easy-to-answer question that you are driven to post long streams of stupid bullshit lies just in order to avoid that question? Is it because even you realize that you are too stupid to answer it? Or is it because you never had any intention of trying to convince us of anything (except for your fervent devotion to serving Satan through lies), but are nothing but a stupid piece-of-shit troll?For the edification of everybody else since you are you willfully stupid to understand any of it, if a non-expert is unable to answer your impossible "questions", all that says is that that individual could not answer it. It says nothing at all about the thing being asked about. You cannot explain step-by-step in detail how electronics work, how integrated circuits work (and are designed and manufactured), how communications channels work, nor how the Internet works, but none of your inability has any effect on the fact that they do work nor that there are many experts to do understand how they work. If you want to know how anything works, then ask an expert instead of falsely declaring that those experts do not exist.Besides, even if we were to answer your stupid "questions", you would never read our answers, let alone even just look at them. We know that for a solid fact because that is exactly what you have done each and every time. So your insistence on answers to your stupid "questions" is nothing but hypocritical dishonesty, you fucking stupid asshole! Especially when the entire evolution of playing your stupid games would be for naught.You are not the only stupid lying creationist we have ever encountered. Each of us individually literally have decades of experience with creationists and they all pull the same stupid tricks as they practice their deceptions. You are no different nor do you present anything new, anything that we haven't already refuted a thousand times over -- hence PRATT, Points Refuted A Thousand Times. It's like a bad zombie movie where we have to slay the already slain thousands of times and yet they keep coming lumbering back.

Stargate SG-1 200:

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"Zombies have been done to death."

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The only difference between you and the other creationists is that you are far more stupid than they are. Unlike other creationists, you are completely impervious to learning anything. Other creationists are at least able to learn which of their false claims to stop using when that claim has been refuted to their face: "if the claim is proven to not work, then stop using it." Usually, they tailor that lesson to specific opponents; eg:

1. When the opponent has refuted that claim to the creationist's face.
2. When the opponent has demonstrated that he is knowledgeable about the subject matter.

For example, I was in a 20-year correspondence with a young-earth creationist (YEC) who explicitly identified himself as a YEC with the story of having converted because of YEC. Yet in all that time, I could never get him to discuss any young-earth claims. Indeed, he would go out of his way to avoid any discussion of young-earth claims. With me! I have no doubt that he had no such qualms with victims who lacked my knowledge of YEC claims. Indeed, he would be merciless in his bullying of those who were unknowledgeable, but as soon as he realized he was facing someone with even an ounce of brains he would immediately shift to being extremely obsequious and use flattery to avoid discussion.The difference is that you are too appallingly stupid to learn when a claim not only does not work for you, but it actually works against you. You are too abysmally stupid to be able to learn anything, not even what every other creationist is able to learn.So why are you so incredibly stupid about everything? Is it due to the brain damage your stupid false religion is inflicting on you? Why don't you try a completely different religion instead, like Christianity? (even that turkey of a religion is far better than whatever stupid crap you're hooked on) No, I am trying to get through to a stupid fucking idiot, YOU. An idiot so incredibly stupid that you do not know anything -- as you constantly demonstrate -- so I have to explain everything to you.The reason why it doesn't work is because you are a brainless idiot. So brainless that RFK Jr's brain worm would have starved immediately inside your hollow cranium (instead of having a little something to feed on as in his case).But while you are a hopeless case, others are able to learn from my explanations.

¡YET AGAIN! you try to deflect and evade having to answer a simple direct question! That question is and continues to be and will always be Percy's repeatedly asked:

"Remaining on topic, why do you think you’re not succeeding
in convincing anyone?"

Why are you so completely and utterly terrified of that question?Stop with your stupid bullshit and JUST ANSWER THE FUCKING QUESTION!Why is that so impossibly hard for you? I already answered that question, you fucking idiot! If you were to ever bother to read anything then you would already know that I told you "no."Again, what the fuck is to incredibly wrong with you that your brain is completely non-functional most of the time? That you are incredibly stupid, don't know anything, feed on nothing but lies, etc. OK.We already know all that since you demonstrate your failings constantly. But what we don't understand is how and why you had degenerated to such a pitifully low state of near-existence in the first place.Perhaps that could serve others as an example of what to avoid in order to not sink to the same low depths of depravity as you have.

(my emphasis added)
WHAT THE FUCK IS THAT?That is sheer insanity! You may as well resolve to blow your brains out if the traffic light doesn't turn green in 2 seconds, that is how utterly insane you're being. And I don't mean in any kind of good way.Why would any demonstration of natural processes working as they're supposed to force you to "deny the existence of God"? That makes absolutely no sense at all! If you think that that is a necessary choice for you to make, THEN EXPLAIN THAT TO US!Seriously, where are you getting that stupid bullshit from?Is it from your cult? Is it your cult that's teaching you that? If so, then RUN OUT OF THERE AS FAST AS YOU CAN! Escape from that cult before you hurt yourself or somebody else! And most importantly, if they offer you any Flavor Aid* REFUSE IT! Your mission should be to get out of there alive, not poisoned in body (it's already too late for your mind and soul, but with time those could mend).

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Seriously! That is some really fucked up shit you're into there! Get out and get clean!And seek professional help. 

I'm sorry, I can't hear you over the fact that you won't answer the SINGLE inquiry I did about something you said. Do I need to repeat it again?

Isn't that true of everyone who has a firm opinion? Including you?So given that you're trying to persuade someone who "has his mind made up", as do you, and given the information provided in Message 1, how best should you go about trying to persuade them? How well does your approach harmonize with those suggestions?--Percy
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Percy:"Why do you think you’re not succeeding in convincing anyone?"
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Me: "It is really difficult to convince someone who already has
his mind made up."
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Percy: "Isn't that true of everyone who has a firm opinion?
Including you?"Me: Then why did you suggest that I am the only one who
has an issue with convincing others?

ZUC, you wrote:"I'm sorry, I can't hear you over the fact that you won't
answer the SINGLE inquiry I did about something you said.
Do I need to repeat it again?"***Yes!

Why do you think I suggested that?If you go back and read Message 1 you'll see that it's explaining why it's so difficult for anyone to convince others. By trying to convince people here about evolution you've provided a useful example for discussion in this thread. Clearly you're not convincing anyone, so the obvious questions are how well does your current approach harmonize with the suggestions in Message 1, and given the information it provides, what approach do you think might work better?--Percy

Alright, this is us getting somewhere! So let's ignore every other thing that has happened until now and let's focus on this, alright?The inquiry I made was about this statement of yours: And I repeatedly asked you to show evidence for this statement being true. This statement didn't come from nowhere on your side. You believe scientists believe this. I'm saying it's just a strawman of the actual science, that this isn't something scientists believe at all.But I'm asking you to put forth the reason why you believe scientists believe this, the source of why you believe scientists think that 'life and consciousness' leeched from rocks.You persistently presented that you do think that scientists believe that, so the inquiry is for you to show evidence for that.And therefore, repeatedly have I asked for you to show evidence of WHY you believe this of scientists, and if there is no evidence, accept that your belief in this specific, singular matter, is wrong.It has no bearing on many other topics, but if we can't deal with this single issue in an honest way, why would I ever want to answer any of your other questions?Or try to anyways.This is a simple issue to focus on something I feel you don't have evidence for. If you do, present it, if not, accept that you don't.I'm ignorant of many things. I'm not as skilled or don't have as much experience with science as many of the folk around here I know, but that's what I honed in on this simple topic, this simple inquiry.Because if that's too hard to get a conclusion.If this one, simple issue is something that has no resolution, nothing else will ever get a resolution either.It tells me you're not interested in discussion, you're just trolling.

ZUC, just one example:The famous atheist and “materialist philosopher” Daniel Dennett.
These paragraphs come from a New Yorker profile on the man
and his thought, and specifically how life evolved:""Four billion years ago, Earth was a lifeless place.
Nothing struggled, thought, or wanted. Slowly, that changed.
Seawater leached chemicals from rocks; near thermal vents,
those chemicals jostled and combined. Some hit upon the
trick of making copies of themselves that, in turn, made
more copies. The replicating chains were caught in oily
bubbles, which protected them and made replication easier;
eventually, they began to venture out into the open sea.
A new level of order had been achieved on Earth.
Life had begun."***There are more. But, you were not concerned about this.
You are simply in over your head, because you cannot show
how the first cell created itself.You know that you don't know. I know that you don't know, and
you know that I know you don't know. But you have a lot of
company. There is not a person who can successfully answer
this question.Your persistence in this "chemicals from rocks to life
statement" is simply a way to keep you from admitting that
without a Creator, life is impossible.Life cannot come from non-life. You and all atheists are in
over your heads.

Percy, there is really nothing this forum can do to change
minds.If the specified complexity of the cell cannot alter one's
perception, nothing will. That individual is impervious to
change.

Is this the approach that Message 1 suggests would work?--Percy