Why are we so bad at this?

And when they say the same of your use of modern medicine, who are we to believe? Perhaps neither? Isn't it just you judging that they're refusing to obey God? Isn't yours a denomination claiming to be Christian yet refusing to obey Him according to their judgment? Who to believe, who to believe? As does yours. What makes you think there's such a thing as magic? How do you know this?And, how universal could a church be when there are thousands of sects, most of which all Christians reject, Catholicism in your case, for one significant example. No kidding. Aren't you contradicting yourself here? Haven't you declared both Simon Peter and Jesus as the Rock. Aren't you contradicting yourself again? First you say the Rock was Simon Peter and/or Jesus, and now you say the Rock is make-believe? How do you know this? How do you know this? Didn't the change to a Sunday Sabbath occur long before the RCC even existed? How do you know which is God's message? Aren't you an example? And you have? How do you know this?Getting back on topic, why do you think you're so bad at persuasion?--Percy

Percy, you replied:(Look at the Catholic Church. They have dogmas and
practices that are nowhere found in the Bible."
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"As does yours."Which practices of my Church is not in the Bible.If you are not sure what my practices are, just ask.I will tell you one at a time and then you can do your best
to refute them. However, we can only recite from the Bible.After all you made the claim.
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Percy, you stated:"What makes you think there's such a thing as magic?"Life is magic. Unless one believe the fairy tale that life and
consciousness leached from a rock.​

Percy, you stated:(The Pope, Cardinals, Bishops, and priests know that they
are not as they claim to be. They are serious trouble.)
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"How do you know this?
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Getting back on topic, why do you think you're so bad
at persuasion?"I know this because I know what the Bible teaches, and I
know what the leaders of the RCC teaches.It is difficult to persuade someone who has such a poor
sense of comprehension.​

Percy, you stated:"And when they say the same of your use of modern
medicine, who are we to believe? Perhaps neither?"They have freedom of speech. More power to them.

Percy, you stated:"Isn't it just you judging that they're refusing to obey God?
Isn't yours a denomination claiming to be Christian yet
refusing to obey Him according to their judgment?
Who to believe, who to believe?"The only religion that teaches that God has a plan to save
everyone is a small fraction of the Christian churches.No other religion teaches this. And, 99 percent of Christians
believe that God is trying to savie everyone doing this present
age.Whether they know it or not, they portray a God who is
incapable of saving the vast majority of humans.They also believe that God will burn unrepentant sinners
in an ever-burning fire. They teach that Goes keeps His anger
of them for eternity. They scream in agony forever.I could not describe a more loving God that the God of the
Bible.There is a lot of pain and suffering in this life. But, it serves
a purpose.Adam and Eve had the opportunity to obey God. He would
show them the way to true happiness. Only He knows how
to achieve complete peace and happiness.But Adam and Eve rebelled. They allowed Satan to influence
them. They made the decision that they would find the way
on their own, without God's help.God is allowing humans a span of 6000 years to try to find
peace and happiness on our own, without Him.We have tried every form of government that there is; yet,
we have failed time after time after time.We reach a point in which we would kill ourselves completely
if God did not intervene in our affairs.When Christ returns He will teach us His ways. We will have
already learned that we, on our own, are incapable of finding
peace, joy, and true happiness.Only God can persuade a person. And I have no doubt that if He
set His sights on you that you would do whatever He asked.We can feel much pain in this life, but it serves a purpose.The God of the Bible, the One that the vast majority of humans
do not know at this time, is loving beyond comprehension. He
has a plan to save all of us.

Cleaned up your quoting and grammar for ya, and I'll reply to all your four messages to me in this single message. What day is your Sabbath? What makes you think life is magic, or that there's even any such thing as magic? You think science's understanding of abiogenesis and consciousness is that they leached from a rock? So, no evidence-based argument, then. You're just going to claim knowledge, keep it secret, and tell people they should believe you.
​ Says the person who still uses needless carriage returns and can't figure out quoting after 6 years here. Have you forgotten that you're trying to persuade us that you have the proper view of modern medicine and they don't?--Percy

Are you claiming, in all modesty of course, that your church is one of those churches with the correct view? I ask again: Who to believe, who to believe? Multiple Christian religions teach that God has a plan to save everyone. Someone took a poll? Your two statements are contradictory. Perhaps one of these is a misstatement?

• "99% of Christians believe that God is trying to save everyone [during] the present age"
• "they portray a God who is incapable of saving the vast majority of humans"

Yes, we know many Christians believe this. Really? Tell that to the Canaanites, among many others. Your loving God sure seems to have a bloodlust. More secrets, huh. If God isn't telling anyone "how to achieve complete peace and happiness," how can you be sure he really knows? Let me guess. You learned it in the Bible. And you know this how? Let me guess. You learned it in the Bible. People have tried every form of religion that there is; yet, they have failed time after time after time. And he intervened how? You *do* realize that this contradicts what you said earlier about God giving us 6000 years to "find peace and happiness on our own." Or do you mean God gave us a hopeless task that he knew we would fail, perhaps so he could enjoy torturing us by making us scramble around fruitlessly seeking answers. I wish he *would* set his sights on me. It would be an interesting conversation. Didn't you already say this? Good to know.--Percy

Percy, you asked:"What day is your Sabbath?"***We observe Saturday, the seventh day of the week, as
the fourth Commandment ordered.You asked:"You think science's understanding of abiogenesis and
consciousness is that they leached from a rock?"***This is simply one of the ridiculous beliefs that they have.
An individual who does not believe in the Creator God must,
by necessity, believe in an alternative.You wrote:"Have you forgotten that you're trying to persuade us that
you have the proper view of modern medicine and they
don't?"***I am not trying to persuade you of anything. If one wishes
to ignore the advice and help of the medical profession, then
by all means do so. But, if it goes badly then don't blame God.Personally, I pray for God's assistance all the time. I believe in
personal responsibility. By this I mean that I try to eat healthy
(I do not eat what the Bible calls unclean meats), I do not take
drugs, alcohol, or tobacco. (I have done them all though)I exercise regularly, and I do believe in homeopathy. I have
used alternative medicine many times.One example. Oregano essential oil is as effective as
antibiotics in clearing up many infections. And it does not
destroy beneficial bacteria.Jesus drank fresh pressed olive oil. I do too. It has a great
effect on the body, from hbp to digestionMy doctor has been amazed at the results I have achievedHowever, there are some things that I need the doctor's help
with. And no alternative medicine can fix it when surgery is
required.When people refuse medical intervention and it ends badly
for them many secular individuals will blame this on God,
or on the person's religion. They mock both.I do not mock God. I take care of my health. And, I do not
feel like a hypocrite when I find myself in a situation in
which I need His help.​

Percy, you asked:"Are you claiming, in all modesty of course, that your church
is one of those churches with the correct view? I ask again:
Who to believe, who to believe?"*** Christ has but one church. It is a small flock. It is never
big or politically powerful.The word church (ekklesia) refers to those who have been
"called out" by God. It does not refer to a building.Those called out by God are being readied to be in Christ's
Government when He returns to set up His Kingdom.Many who were/are called by God become puffed up; they
gain a sense of false pride.However, it doesn't last very long. They soon realize that God
does not tolerate this. Humility is a must. It is a very
sobering experience.God could have chosen anyone. But, He chooses the weak.
He chooses the weak and He makes them strong. They are
strong only through Him.I only put this message out with the sole purpose of reaching
someone whom God might be calling.I realize with crystal clear certainty that Satan's powers of
deception is far greater than my ability to persuade.

Except that it isn't! NOBODY believes that, EXCEPT FOR STUPID LYING CREATIONISTS!To again quote zoologist and Christian Clint of the YouTube channel, Clint's Reptiles (see my mid=919521]):

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If I can't explain someone else's position so accurately that they could sign off that I had it right, then why would they have any interest in my criticism of their position? I don't even know what it is.

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You do not know what science's position is as demonstrated by your repeated and persistently and blatantly false misrepresentations of science.Indeed, you are in the unenviable position of NOT EVEN BEING WRONG -- id est, nothing you say has anything at all to do with the subject. You keep using the word "evolution", but nothing you ever say about it has anything at all to do with evolution.So why don't you start by explaining to us exactly what you think evolution is and how it is taught to work. WE have explained it to you, so do you persist in refusing to explain your version to us? What are you trying to hide?Oh, and since we have repeatedly explained to you what's wrong with your false claims, then every time you repeat them it is with full knowledge that they are false (and of why they are false), therefore every time you repeat those same false claims with the knowledge that they are false, then you are DELIBERATELY LYING.Used to be that Christians believed that lying was a sin; now they believe that lying is a virtue if not an article of faith. So since you believe in the anti-Creation alternative known as "creationism", that would mean that you do not believe in "the Creator God". No wonder you act so confused.Evolution is integral to life itself and so is an integral part of the Creation. Given life doing what life naturally does, it is impossible for it to not be evolving. Regardless of how life got started, once life started doing with life does then it has been evolving.There is no conflict between evolution and Creation. Rather, there is conflict between creationism and the Creation, such that creationism teaches that if the Creation is as it actual is, then that would disprove God. And the only way for you to resolve that conflict is to lie about the Creation, which is part and parcel of every YEC claim. You appear to want to fight against evolution, so why don't you?If you really want to fight against evolution, THEN DO SO AND STOP WASTING YOUR TIME WITH CREATIONIST LIES. Remember, creationists are lying to you!In order to fight evolution, you first need to know what it is. So start by learning everything you can about evolution. Pay no attention to what creationists tell you, since they share your abject ignorance of evolution and are feeding you lies, including their utterly false strawman caricature that they call "evolution" but which bears only the most superficial resemblance to evolution.But if you are too afraid of fighting evolution, then continue to waste your time and effort AND SUFFER THE LOSS OF ALL CREDIBILITY by flailing ineffectively against a made-up creationist boogeyman.If you want to convince us that you are full of shit, then continue to demonstrate that you are full of shit. If you want to convince us that we should take what you say seriously, then demonstrate that you are not full of shit.Your choice. And, sadly, we already know which path you will choose: the broad path to Perdition (Matt 7:13).

Percy, you stated:"Multiple Christian religions teach that God has a plan to
save everyone."***They teach that one has to be saved during this present
age. And if they are not they must burn forever.I guess that they think people pop and sizzle like a piece of
bacon on a hot skillet.They don't seem to realize that a flesh and blood human
would quickly burn up.You write:"Your two statements are contradictory. Perhaps one of
these is a misstatement?
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"99% of Christians believe that God is trying to save
everyone [during] the present age""they portray a God who is incapable of saving the vast
majority of humans"***They do, indeed, teach that this present age is the only
opportunity people have in which to be saved.They, not me, believe that most people will burn in hell-fire.
without acknowledging it, or possibly even not realizing the
consequences of what they say.
They believe that the vast majority of people who has ever
lived will die, without being right with God, or even knowing
about Christ,They are bound to believe that God lacks the skills or
opportunity to save all.You wrote:"Really? Tell that to the Canaanites, among many others.
Your loving God sure seems to have a bloodlust."
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***People whine all the time about perceived injustices.People get mad at God when He allows evil to happen. And
these same individual whine when God does something about
ItPeople were angry when God allowed the Amalakites to
sacrifice their babies and kids on the altar for years.These same individuals were angry when God put a stop
to it.In any event, whose standards are you judging by?How many worlds have you created? You are just a small
time man who in stupidity is trying to judge the living God,
who created the entire universe.The only significance you will ever have is the significance
that God places on you.You think too highly of yourself

Dwise, what you call evolution, or evolving, I refer to as
variation. Epigenetics comes to mind.You look at evolution as a long drawn out process, in which
micro becomes macro. There is no evidence that this has
ever happened. It is not happening now.Since you do not believe in the Creator (if you do, you have a
poor concept of Him), why don't you tell us exactly how life
began. Be very specific.This is your first obstacle. Don't blow it.

Variation is just one very small part. If you think that that is all that evolution is, then you are truly abjectly ignorant of evolution.Another part of evolution is natural selection which you left out. Along with population dynamics and diversification and so much more.You're making the typical stupid creationist mistake of redefining evolution as just one of its many parts. And you're too ignorant and too willfully stupid to realize how extremely little you know about evolution -- and that almost everything you think you know is nothing but creationist lies.If you know nothing about your enemy nor about yourself, how could you ever possibly hope to prevail?

Sun Tzu:

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Sun Tzu, Scroll III (Offensive Strategy):

31. Therefore I say: "Know the enemy and know yourself; in a hundred battles you will never be in peril.
32. When you are ignorant of the enemy but know yourself, your chances of winning or losing are equal.
33. If ignorant both of your enemy and of yourself, you are certain in every battle to be in peril."

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Sun Tzu, The Art of War, translation by Samuel B. Griffith, Oxford University Press, 1963.

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You do not know "the enemy" and you do not know yourself. You are in constant peril.We are trying to help you out of your condition of constant peril, but you refuse our help.First step is for you to finally answer the questions that you must be able to answer, or at least must address:

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1. What do you think evolution is?
2. How to you think it's supposed to work?
3. Why do you oppose it?
4. If you think that it somehow conflicts with your religion, then why would that be?

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Work on those few questions to start with. You already know that that has nothing whatsoever to do with evolution! So why are you lying to us yet again? EXPLAIN TO US WHAT ABIOGENESIS HAS TO DO WITH EVOLUTION! Explain to us exactly how and why abiogenesis would present any kind of a problem for evolution.Seriously! If you really and truly think that evolution depends on the question of how life came into existence, then explain to us why that would be the case! I have already demanded that of you before and you have always run away from the question.I have already explained it to you several times, most recently in this Message 71 that you are claiming to be replying to but are actually avoiding: Your response each and every time was to ignore it and to run away from it. If you disagree with it, then explain why you disagree. WARNING: your explanation would require you to present what you think evolution is and how it is supposed to work. Something that you always refuse to do. But let's turn that question around to you:

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"why don't you tell us exactly how life
began. Be very specific."

The thing is, you already claimed to us that you knew exactly HOW life began. Yes, that's right, YOU LIED STRAIGHT TO OUR FACES and you'd better believe that we will never forget it!I demanded that, since you possess such information, you reveal it to us. YOU RAN AWAY! Because you knew full well that you had lied to us. There is no conflict between evolution and Creation. Rather, there is conflict between creationism and the Creation, such that creationism teaches that if the Creation is as it actual is, then that would disprove God. And the only way for you to resolve that conflict is to lie about the Creation, which is part and parcel of every YEC claim.As a creationist (and especially as a YEC) you constantly deny the Creation and hence also the Creator. Yet another fact that sends you running away. And, as always, you avoided the important question: You want to fight evolution? So fight it already! Stop wasting your time shoveling stupid bullshit that only succeeds in destroying your own position.To quote from the Pirkei Avot ("Sayings of the Fathers"):

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If not now, when?

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Only creationists believe this, because they can't actually deal with what science actually states.See, creationists have no clue about how to do actual scientific research into claims, so instead they misrepresent and create ridiculous strawmen to debunk and then go "AHAH! GOTCHA" like it means something.Prove me wrong though, point to any scientific research that states consciousness and life leached from a rock.You can't, because it doesn't exist. But these kind of statements show the rest of the world how out of touch you are.You realize right, that your ignorance of the actual science doesn't impress here... Right? You get that, right?