Why are we so bad at this?

Percy, you wrote:"I'm sure all evangelicals are now convinced of the
importance of due consideration of all possible appropriate
medical care for pregnant women, including abortion."***The answer for the enlightened liberal mind to stop
mother's from dying during childbirth is by killing their
babies before the due date.
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Anyone with any compassion and love for others wants
pregnant mothers to receive the best possible medical
help. There are others factors involved here.It is atrocious to suggest that we can cut the rate of mother's
dying during, and shortly after, childbirth in half by killing 50%
more innocent babies.Why is it that many Americans have become so casual
about infanticide.To them having a baby ripped apart, and cast aside as trash,
is no different than having a tooth filled.

AZ, you wrote:"Christians have ALWAYS been casual about all forms of
homicide. It's in your book and throughout your history."***No true Christian is casual about murder. If they say
they are, then they are not Christian."Thou shalt not murder."It is a sad fact that God's Prophets and Apostles were
murdered. They did nothing wrong.Matthew 24 states that in the latter day that Christians will
be hated by all nations.It states that Christians will be handed over to the authorities.We see how they were rounded up and thrown into the Roman
Colesiums.God has the right to judge. He has the right to take life. He
gives life and He takes life. I trust Him.Also, when God takes a life He can give it back.To kill one of these precious little ones, who is made in the
very image of God, is bad. God will demand justice for them.There are very few instances in which a baby must be killed
in order to spare the mother's life. Very few. And in the very
few instances that this might occur, the mother should pray
for God's help.I grew up poor; in fact, very poor. We ate one, sometimes two,
meals a day. We very seldom got a candy bar or a pop.The cafeteria in the school at Golden Pond, KY, was in the
basement, and one could smell it all day. But, my brothers,
sisters, and I did not have the money to eat with.I never wanted to be dead because of this.America has lost it's common sense, it's decency. The main
agenda on Harris's campaign was reproductive rights.Reproductive rights is a misnomer. It stands for the right of
women to kill their own offspring. Women already have the
right to reproduce.The right to kill their own was/is their primary goal. The
father does not have a say.The wicked will always makes excuses for their actions, and
they will always blame it on others.You have lost, if you ever had it, empathy.​

Dwise, you wrote:"But not merely casual about murder. You insist on it! You
revel in it! You are a blood-thirsty murderous monster."***I am the one who wants to protect the weakest among
us. You, on the other hand, are obsessed with the right of
mother's to kill their own babies (fetus-unborn offspring).In Exodus 21: 22-23. "If men fight, and hurt a woman with
child, so that she gives birth prematurely, yey no harm follows,
he shall surely be punished accordingly as the woman's
husband imposes on him; and he shall pay as the judges
determine.But if any harm follows, then you shall give life for life."God even demands that a life shall be taken for accidentally
killing an unborn baby.How much more must He detest the intentional killing of an
innocent little baby.A doctor standing over a pregnant woman and ripping her baby's
body apart. Then putting the dead baby in a bag and throwing
him/her into the trash receptacle.After the mother's water has bursted, doctors and nurses
have heard the baby screaming in pain. It has touched some
so profoundly that they have quit.The left like to choose those of us who are less fit to live, and
then us. It's called eugenics.And, I tell you something else: you have never seen where I
wrote that a woman is less fit to live than a man. One has as
much right to live than the other.More than 93% of abortions are committed by social factors.
Very few are due to risks to the mother.Even in the case of rape the rapist is not put to death. Why
would one one to kill the innocent baby because of this?You can take two babies and lay them side by side and it is
impossible to tell which one is the result of rape.Many women get pregnant for ignoring God's law against
fornication.I don't place all the blame on women. Men who pressure
women to kill their babies are also guilty.An unborn baby has it's own unique DNA. There is none other
like it in the world.I do not hate women. It is pathetic to insinuate that just
because i hate murder does not mean that I hate women.This is a straw man argument, and not a very good one.A woman can get forgiveness for killing her own baby, but
she must seek God's forgiveness, and she must turn from
this patheticEven if there were no God, I would still be against the taking
of innocent lives.You make it sound like atheists believe murder is okay. Is
this your premise?​

Dr. jones, you stated:"what about the right to not reproduce? or are women just
walking incubators to you?"***Guess what! They already have the right to not produce.What you and the others on this forum want is for women to
be able to kill their own babies when they completely
ignore the possibility that having unprotected sex can lead
to a pregnancy.People also have the right to not steal and rob from others.
They can disregard this if they wish. And a female can also
disregard their right to not produce by engaging in actions
that was specifically designed to produce babies.How come you, Dwise, AZ, and others on this forum, fail to
understand this concept?Americans have begun to act like wild animals. The Left's
preoccupation with killing their own is sadistic.It would never occur to the left to take responsibility for their
actions.But u/s this: I respect a woman's right to not have babies as
much as respect a woman's right to have babies. They are
equal in my mind.However, once a woman becomes pregnant I expect her to
take responsibility for her actions. But I also expect this from
the man.A lot of men wants women to have abortions so that they
too can skip out on their responsibility.Men who think like this are just as guilty as women. It seems
that many men can no longer man-up.

Percy, you stated:"Endlessly repeating this isn't proving successful. How do
you think you might better persuade people that abortion
is murder?"***Do you know that a 12 week old baby swallows fluid and
passes it out as urine. His kidneys and digestive system
function.There is strong evidence that they can feel pain. This pain is
similar to a newborn or adult would feel. The thalamus is
responsible for pain perception; the brain cortex is not
necessary.For many years liberals, and doctors who make a good living
from abortions, have downplayed the fact that at 12 weeks
a baby can feel pain. But, this has now shifted to whether the
pain is significant.Why would any compassionate individual dismiss this as
being insignificant?A heartbeat can be detected by the 5th or 6th week. It can be
heard on ultrasound by the 10th week.At twelve week the baby looks exactly like a newborn.The youngest baby to ever survive outside of the mother's
womb is Curtis Means. He was 21 weeks old, and weighed
just 11.9 pounds.The same people who insist that an unborn baby is not a
person are also in favor of charging someone who murders a
pregnant woman with two murders.I challenge anyone who is in favor of infanticide to look at the
pictures of aborted babies. Not just to look at them, but to look
at them closely.Aborted babies are ripped apart and then suctioned out of
the womb. But some are burned with chemicals. This is
exactly what happens to them. Why would I not tell it exactly
how it is?Nurses and assistants have heard babies scream while an
abortion is being carried out. Many of them quit after
experiencing this.It is estimated that between 400 and 500 (Dr. Willard Cates)
abortions are botched every year.This number is most higher; perhaps, significantly higher.Abortion doctors and hospitals refer to this a "dreaded
complications." It is an embarrassment for the.Whether it is reported or not is dependant upon who is in the
room when it happens.Abortionists do not like to report these instances. It would be
like reporting self to the IRS for an audit.The "dreaded complications" are placed in back rooms and
left to die, all alone and in pain. Others are tossed into bags
and thrown into the trash receptacle.The abortion establishment, with help from the left, will do
everything within their power to hide facts from the public.Many women and men are upset that the federal government
has stopped supporting Planned Parenthood (misnomer). It
places the financial burden back to mother or state.They insist that abortion is a "right" and that the government
should pay for abortions.This is nonsense. But even if they were right, why should the
government pay for it?We have the right to religion. We have the right to own firearms.
We have freedom of speech. But the government is not going
to build us a church; buy us a gun; or, build us a news
network.It is ridiculous that someone can be attacked simply because
they defend the right of the most vulnerable among us.In the end it doesn't matter what we say, or how we say it,
they will still defend abortion.How they can look at the pictures of these unborn babies and
still not "get it?"

Dwise, you wrote:"Just answer the fucking question, you stupid brain-dead
asshole. Instead of spewing forth a torrent of bullshit lies.
(since everything else you have posted has been nothing
but bullshit lies, we know that the same applies here)
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And answer why you approve of, support, and promote laws
that kill innocent women.
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Pull your head out of your ass."***You need to control yourself. You seem to have trouble
with keeping your emotions in check. Anyone who loses
control can talk this way. This is a weaknessWhat laws are you specifically talking about about?I have been talking about the killing of 1.3 million innocent
American babies every year.

Dwise, you stated:"A mother suffering a failed pregnancy is not asserting any
right to "kill her own baby", but rather is fighting for her life,
for her right to stay alive! *I* am advocating for her right to
receive the necessary medical treatment to save her life
YOU are demanding that she be denied that necessary
medical treatment such that she will DIE UNNECESSARILY!*** Stop lying. A failed pregnancy is not an abortion.Also, if a mother's life is seriously at stake I would u/s.I would have chosen the life of my wife over our child.However, this is seldom the case. The left like to push false
agendas.God is not a monster; He would understand the woman's
choice in this situation. He looks at our heart for why we
do certain things.But one cannot fake God out. If the risk was there, He
would know if they were lying or not.But the left doesn't care what reason the woman has. They
want all abortions to be legal.It is funny that everyone in favor of abortions has already
been born.​

Dwise, you stated:It's because we are trying in vain to get through to a willfully
ignorant and willfully stupid asshole who refuses to ever act
in good faith, YOU.*** There you go, showing your weakness, again.What I am talking about should be plain and simple enough
for anyone to u/s.And, it is this: the murder of innocent little babies.The Supreme Court, Congress, Executive branch, none of
these institutions have the power to make abortion right.Granted the courts can make abortion possible, but they
cannot make it right.They have no more authority to make it right than a vagrant
in the street does.If an abortion is necessary to save the life of the mother, I can
u/s that. But that would be the only situation in which I
personally find it acceptable.Even in the case of rape we do not murder the rapist. It is
sadistic to murder the innocent baby.I don't u/s why it is necessary to explain the value and worth
of a baby's life to supposedly grown-ups.

Percy, you wrote:"One little addendum: If a conservative Christian family
rejects modern medicine and loses a baby through medically
preventable miscarriage then it is God's will, not murder."***I do not know anyone like this. Doctors study for many
years. They are quite knowledgeable.I would never tempt God by insisting that he alone must
fix the problem.God works through many doctors. Some of them pray for
His guidance every day.

Percy, you wrote:"You're dissembling. Whether you know anyone like this or not,
you know such families exist. Conservative Christian families
withholding modern medical care from their children make
regular appearances in the news, such as this one from last week:***God does not command this. And those who practice this
are doing so without His consent. They are fools to tempt God.There are many denominations that claim to be Christians;
yet, they refuse to obey Him.Look at the Catholic Church. They have dogmas and practices
that are nowhere found in the Bible.The RCC was founded by Simon Magus, the sorcerer mentioned
in Acts 8:9-24. Simon was a great magician, who received
his powers from Satan. Everyone at that time knew of him
and his magical powers.It was this Simon, and not Simon Peter, who went to Rome
and started the universal church.Simon Peter was the rock that the church was built upon. Jesus
was /is that Rock. A misunderstanding of Matthew 16:18
allowed Satan to use Simon Magus as this make-believe rock.There is a bronze statue in the Vatican of Simon Magus (the
RCC asserts that it is a statue of Simon Peter) that has been
kissed on one hand so many times that it is almost a stub.There are tales of Simon the sorcerer levitating in Rome, and
performing other miracles.The RCC is Satan's counterfeit religion. It calls itself a Christian
Church because Simon Magus was baptized.The RCC is the harlot in Revelation. The Apostle John states
that she has daughter churches. These churches have gained
many of their customs and beliefs from the mother church.One such custom is that of Sunday replacing Saturday as the
Sabbath. The RCC asserts that it has/had the authority to
days. They say that the simple fact that most other churches
made the change to Sunday proves they had the authority.There is not one verse in the Bible that authorizes the change.
Sunday is the mark of the RCC. It was also the mark of the HRE.Throughout history many Christians have been slaughtered
by these two beasts because they refused to take this mark.
They remained faithful to God.My point is that people can be deceived, and oftentimes, quite
easily.The members of the RCC have not been called by God. He
allows them to be deceived. They will receive their calling
along with those of other religions in their pre-set time.The Pope, Cardinals, Bishops, and priests know that they are
not as they claim to be. They are serious trouble.

AZ, you wrote:"No, no, he’s not an exception, Tangle. He’s a nutcase.
A case of nuts. An enclosure enwrapping the nuggets of a
weak minded religious fantasy."***My mind came from God. He is the One who gave me life;
He gave life to everyone and everything.You do not believe in God. You think that the life of your
fore-amoebae leeched out of a rock billions of years ago.Excuse me for laughing, but you have the gall to tell everyone
that you know what happened billions of years ago.I don't understand how you can trust your brain, which you say,
is nothing more than a random collection of atoms.You probably even have the audacity to teach that the tiny
Colorado River formed the Grand Canyon over a span of
millions of years.It should be clear to everyone that the Canyon was formed
from the runoff of a global flood, with water escaping from the
large water basin North and East of the canyon.Does your random collection of brain cells tell you why Earth's
other rivers did not do the same. The Nile, Mississippi,
Amazon, and other great rivers should have even larger
canyons.Occam's Razor states that soft tissue in dino fossils is proof
of recent death, as does C-14. But the random collection of
brain matter insist that both iron and contamination are the
cause.Understand this: we do not witness evolution happening
today, nor do we witness it in the fossils.The only place this takes place is in the minds of those who
deny the existence of God.Paul states in Romans 1 that there is no excuse for not
believing in the Creator. His creation is proof of His existence.It also states those who deny Him are fools. I agree.I could go on for hours about the absurdity of evolution, but
that random collection of brain matter in your head could
not conceive the truth.

Percy, you replied:(Look at the Catholic Church. They have dogmas and
practices that are nowhere found in the Bible."
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"As does yours."Which practices of my Church is not in the Bible.If you are not sure what my practices are, just ask.I will tell you one at a time and then you can do your best
to refute them. However, we can only recite from the Bible.After all you made the claim.
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Percy, you stated:"What makes you think there's such a thing as magic?"Life is magic. Unless one believe the fairy tale that life and
consciousness leached from a rock.​

Percy, you stated:(The Pope, Cardinals, Bishops, and priests know that they
are not as they claim to be. They are serious trouble.)
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"How do you know this?
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Getting back on topic, why do you think you're so bad
at persuasion?"I know this because I know what the Bible teaches, and I
know what the leaders of the RCC teaches.It is difficult to persuade someone who has such a poor
sense of comprehension.​

Percy, you stated:"And when they say the same of your use of modern
medicine, who are we to believe? Perhaps neither?"They have freedom of speech. More power to them.