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Message 511 of 530 (923862)
10-02-2025 9:06 PM


The Latest From The BBC
Apparently, DJT has a peace plan, but his conditions are already being rejected by the GAZA leadership. It's amazing to me how any Hamas can even be left, but a few are apparently still in charge!
Leaders in Middle East and Europe welcome Trump's Gaza peace plan
Some highlights:
  • The Palestinian Authority (PA), which governs parts of the Israeli-occupied West Bank, has called the US president's efforts "sincere and determined".
  • In a joint statement, the foreign ministers of the United Arab Emirates, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Egypt, Jordan, Turkey, Indonesia, and Pakistan said they welcomed Trump's "leadership and his sincere efforts to end the war in Gaza".
  • They said they were ready to engage with the US to finalise and implement the agreement, which they said should lead to a "two state solution, under which Gaza is fully integrated with the West Bank in a Palestinian state".
    European Council President Antonio Costa said he was "encouraged by Prime Minister Netanyahu's positive response" to the proposal.
    Wars are settled by the victors. The victims may never get their day in court, but at least the war *may* get settled and be over.

    When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy
    God alone is God *but* God is not alone~Ellis Potter
    We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed
    Critics would of course say that "God" is a product of human imagination...but then again God may well declare that all of creation is a product of His imagination! It is all in the perspective of the observer.~Phat

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    Message 512 of 530 (923932)
    10-04-2025 3:26 PM
    Reply to: Message 507 by Percy
    09-10-2025 3:08 PM


    Its none of the U.N.'s business.
    DJT appears to be ever the political chameleon, courting one side and then another.
    One difference that I see between Trump and Biden is that Biden would have likely more easily gotten on board with global censureship and discipline of Israeli actions, whereas Trump does not. (And yes, this is a necessary thing)
    However...
    Shock in Gaza as Trump appears to welcome Hamas response to US peace plan
    BBC:
    Rushdi Abualouf--Gaza correspondent, Istanbul---People in Gaza have reacted with shock after US President Donald Trump appeared to welcome Hamas's response to his peace plan for the territory.
    Hundreds of Palestinians flooded my social media accounts and messaging apps with questions like: "Has the war ended?" and "Is this a dream or reality?"
    The pace of developments overnight has left many struggling to grasp what comes next.
    The movement's carefully crafted statement - thought to have been drafted with the help of mediators - stopped short of outright rejection and instead offered a qualified "yes". (...)Reactions among Palestinians in the territory ranged from hope to deep suspicion.
    Some fear Hamas has walked into a trap, and that Israel will reclaim its hostages only to resume the war. Others believe a historic opportunity has opened to end two years of conflict.

    The ball is clearly in Israels court now, but also depends on whether or not Hamas will stop fighting and Israel will stop killing, even if "justified" by treaty violations.
    Trump treats the negotiations like a business deal and ultimately supports Israel first, but Hamas is also responsible to step down from power and decision making. One can only hope for peace.
    The power rests with the United States and Israel...not Europe and not the United Nations.

    When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy
    God alone is God *but* God is not alone~Ellis Potter
    We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed
    Critics would of course say that "God" is a product of human imagination...but then again God may well declare that all of creation is a product of His imagination! It is all in the perspective of the observer.~Phat

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    Message 513 of 530 (923972)
    10-06-2025 12:33 PM
    Reply to: Message 507 by Percy
    09-10-2025 3:08 PM


    Re: Israel Targets Senior Hamas leadership IN Qatar.
    Trump's peace plan is only two pages long, and in my mind, he always wants to be the "hero" in the media....but the reality is much more complex.
    What are the key sticking points in Trump's Gaza peace plan? That from the BBC today.
    BBC:
    Israel's stated goal throughout the war has been the destruction of Hamas. Netanyahu has repeatedly said he will not stop until the group is finished.
    A key point in Trump's plan requires the group to disarm. But Hamas has previously refused to lay down its weapons, saying it would only do so once a Palestinian state has been established.
    In its response, Hamas made no mention of disarmament, fueling speculation that it has not changed its position.
    Over the weekend, Netanyahu vowed: "Hamas will be disarmed and Gaza will be demilitarized – either the easy way or the hard way".

    You guys are right in showing proof that Israel is the protagonist and as we have discussed before, the responsibility for genocide starts and ends with Netanyahu.
    Netanyahu is, in a way, Israel's "Trump."
    As I have said before, Israel and the US hold military power. Even global condemnation is not enough to guide the peace process with the conservative administrations in power.
    I just hope that the killing stops. Trump flip-flops on his pronouncements. One week, he condemns Ukraine in the hope of currying favor with Putin. The following week or month, he encourages Ukraine to resist and regain all of its land. All that the guy wants is to be in the news as the leading deal-maker. I doubt that Trump will ever win the Nobel Peace Prize!

    When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy
    God alone is God *but* God is not alone~Ellis Potter
    We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed
    Critics would of course say that "God" is a product of human imagination...but then again God may well declare that all of creation is a product of His imagination! It is all in the perspective of the observer.~Phat

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    Message 514 of 530 (925157)
    03-02-2026 1:08 PM
    Reply to: Message 510 by LamarkNewAge
    09-20-2025 5:21 PM


    Wally Rashid has an accurate map of an Israeli design for Syria in his new YOUtube vi
    I said this back in September
    quote:
    Israel has already offered citizenship to the Golan Heights residents.

    Israel might be willing to create a safe zone independent nation for the Druze and Kurdish areas of Syria. Even the anti-Israel Sunni Girl admits that the Sunni government of Syria is slaughtering Alawites in the north-west.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9kJvV8pJ1Zg
    This Corridor nation stretching along the Jordanian border to Kurdistan is absolutely accurate - not some crazy map drawn up by a malicious anti-Israel propagandist.
    Every other proposed nation - including the Alawite coastal state, is accurately drawn on this map.
    Israel really wanted to do this. Trump pissed on it. More examples of the United States stopping Israel from protecting minorities. More examples of economic ruin brought about by a United States interfering with the Middle East. A horrible example of not letting the people of the region settle their disputes and form alliances.

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    Message 515 of 530 (925354)
    04-05-2026 2:19 AM


    Revelations about the Kurdish dream for ending the civilian killing Islamic Republi
    Did Israeli and US leaks spoil plans for a Kurdish invasion from Iraq in Iran?
    i24NEWS English
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWNZ2WseGRM
    This is the only video on the super important story that has broken in the last week about the start of the war. The founer of the American Friends For Kurdistan was interviewed from Washington DC and he says the Kurds will still fight. Diliman AbdulKader is upset over the leaks collapsing the invasion, but his people are still going to be involved in toppling the murderous scumbags in Tehran.
    From a Times of Israel story based on report from the last Saturday of March, 2026 which was one week ago.
    quote:
    US-Israeli plan for Kurdish invasion of Iran reportedly collapsed amid leaks, distrust
    The United States and Israel planned for Kurdish militia forces to invade Iran early in the ongoing war, hoping to spur a rebellion that would bring down the Islamic Republic – but leaks to the media, lobbying by allies, and wariness among the Kurds themselves led Washington to pull the plug on the idea, according to a Saturday report.
    The Channel 12 investigation came after Israeli and international media reported earlier this month that a ground campaign launched from Iraqi Kurdistan was imminent or even had already started.
    MSN
    Trump fucked the Kurds in Syria earlier this year, which actually also prevented a US troop buildup in Iraqi Kurdistan since there was no fucking way to logistically get there.
    From the Jerusalem Post:
    quote:
    Did a leak to media save thousands of Kurdish lives in Iran war? - analysis
    In the first days of the war, a number of reports in US media portrayed the Kurds as being armed by the US and also claimed they had launched an offensive against Iran
    BySETH J. FRANTZMAN
    MARCH 30, 2026 16:12
    A leak to the media about a potential Kurdish Iran offensive may have helped save the lives of large numbers of Kurds. A new report at Israel’s Channel 12 and also a report at Ynet offer the first full picture of what transpired in the first days of the Iran conflict, including key leaks that likely saved Kurdish groups from a false start to an offensive.
    Did a leak to media save thousands of Kurdish lives in Iran war? | The Jerusalem Post
    Another report on the story
    quote:
    News
    MENA
    Why a ground offensive by Iranian Kurds against the regime never materialised – and why it still could
    President Trump touted them as the key to overthrowing Tehran's government – then went cold on the idea. Reporting from Koya, The National speaks to leaders of the dissident movement about the uprising that never was
    Lizzie Porter
    Stella Martany
    Koya, Iraqi Kurdistan
    April 02, 2026
    Why a ground offensive by Iranian Kurds against the regime never materialised – and why it still could | The National
    This story is totally related to the exact time, place, and events:
    Netanyahu said frustrated that Mossad promise it could instigate Iran uprising has fallen short | The Times of Israel
    This story was from the actual time of the Trump decision, not later reports
    Just a moment...
    Now, one from now. It is of a different focus than the previous story
    quote:
    Jerusalem Post/Opinion
    Iranian regime faces pressure as Kurds, US strengthen cooperation - opinion
    Kurdish forces and US military presence may shape the future of Iran’s opposition and regime stability.
    ByNEVILLE TELLER
    MARCH 31, 2026 15:00
    Putting to one side, just for the moment, US President Donald Trump’s talk of highly promising ceasefire negotiations involving an unnamed senior Iranian leader, media outlets report that some 50,000 American troops are already in the Middle East.
    Alongside this, the Pentagon is bringing in a further 5,000 Marines, and some 2,000 paratroopers from the 82nd Airborne Division, some of whom have already sailed or are being flown in. A further surge of 10,000 ground troops is under consideration.
    On March 19, the UK’s Daily Telegraph quoted the leader of one of the main Kurdish armed groups, Babasheikh Hosseini, saying that the Iranian regime will not fall without a ground offensive, which must involve Kurdish forces.
    Iranian regime faces pressure as Kurds, US strengthen cooperation | The Jerusalem Post
    God, we have some tremendous allies in the region. Too bad we keep fucking them over.
    History is developing
    https://en.wikipedia.org/...ir_campaign_in_Iranian_Kurdistan
    https://en.wikipedia.org/..._strikes_on_the_Kurdistan_Region
    I am honored to be a part of the same human race as the Great Kurdish people. The future could look very bright in the Middle East. Brighter than anywhere else, but the light from there will brighten the whole world.
    Stay with the precious Middle East people!
    Support the good people of the region!

      
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    Message 516 of 530 (925361)
    04-05-2026 3:20 PM
    Reply to: Message 315 by Rahvin
    04-25-2024 1:42 PM


    Re: In Your Own Words
    In Message 317 You said this:
    Rahvin writes:
    I'm 100% fine with saying Hamas are bad guys. I've said effectively that from the start, reality isn't black and white; the reasons are complicated, but they're doing unjustifiable bad things. That does not and cannot justify even greater larger-scale crimes by Israel.
    That was on 4/25/2024. Since then, more people have died, and we here in the US are involved in a broader war. Back then, Hamas was the "bad guys, and subsequent arguments centered on Iran as the sponsor (enabler) of the war against Israel from Hamas, the Houthis, and Hezbollah. Netanyahu got his way, and he and Trump aligned. What is your assessment of the path forward today, based on what you know from the news, the probable future, and the prospect of another unwinnable war in the Middle East?

    If you look carefully you will see that there is one thing and only one thing that causes unhappiness. The name of that thing is attachment. What is an attachment? An emotional state of clinging caused by the belief that without some particular thing or some person you cannot be happy.~Anthony de Mello
    God alone is God *but* God is not alone~Ellis Potter
    We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed
    For those who believe, no proof is necessary. For those who disbelieve, no amount of proof is sufficient. Ignatius of Loyola

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    Message 517 of 530 (925365)
    04-05-2026 6:09 PM
    Reply to: Message 516 by Phat
    04-05-2026 3:20 PM


    In Your (Phat's) Own Words: "Netanyahu got his way"
    You are responding to a post from April 5, 2024.
    Israel did not get their hostages for about 18 more months. (often they will be killed prior to release, when some would be released)
    The United Nations violated the Geneva Conventions and prevented civilians from leaving the Gaza war zone.
    Hezbollah kept bombing Israel for 5 1/2 more months while Israel was begging them to stop. Netanyahu finally told the United Nations, in mid September, "We have had it" in response to Hezbollah.
    (Now we have a crypto right wing scumbag as mayor of New York actually threatening to use the police to arrest the same leader of our country's greatest ally - which is essentially a call for civil war, if you really think about it)
    Netanyahu was not getting his way back then. Perhaps you can say things "got worse before they got better" for Israel.
    (Netanyahu is not the issue)
    (Israel fighting for its very existence was the issue)

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    Message 518 of 530 (926090)
    07-04-2026 3:42 PM


    NATO bombing of Yugoslavia and Human Rights Watch documented civilian deaths.
    There was a 78 day bombing campaign, of Yugoslavia, by NATO.
    Human Rights Watch documented civilian deaths - from NATO bombing - at 489 to 528, while everyone agrees the total is higher.
    Israel has been responding to Hezbollah starting a 2026 war on March 2.
    It has now been 125 days since the war started.
    It looks like the civilians killed by Israel are comparable to NATO killing over 500+ in 78 days before the surrender of Yugoslavia.
    Prove that wrong! If you can't, then admit that Israel is doing no worse, to civilians, in Lebanon, than the NATO operation did to Yugoslavian civilians. Then you should spend equal time attacking NATO.

      
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    Message 519 of 530 (926262)
    07-22-2026 3:50 AM


    Clarification on the religious "right" in Israel. (Myths are pervasive)
    We keep seeing accusations of the "right" in Israel being a bunch of blood hungry genocidalists.
    Actually, the fast growing Orthodox population in Israel just want to peacefully study the Torah. They were the type that argued for a two state solution so "peace" could come. They are pretty much pacifists. They made arguments year, saying that the job of the Israel state should not be to engage in endless wars, but to have a homeland where Jews could flourish economically and then have a climate where Torah study can be funded and facilitated.
    They did not hope for Hamas and Hezbollah to wage endless war.
    Nobody blames the state of Israel for the wars in 2026. Even the "Ultra-Orthodox", in 2026, now know that war is a necessary evil for defense and survival.
    Inside Israel, there is no debate anymore.
    The "left" is dead in Israel because Israelis are on the ground - the actual field of play, and they know the facts on the ground.
    The "left" in the United States is making arguments from ignorance. Bill Clinton commented on how the "left" in the United States thinks Hamas is fighting for the Two State Solution and Israel is refusing, this the Gaza fight is against Israel refusing a Two State Solution.
    A message for the "left" in the United States:
    Please learn something

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    Message 520 of 530 (926265)
    07-22-2026 7:22 AM
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    07-22-2026 3:50 AM


    Re: Clarification on the religious "right" in Israel. (Myths are pervasive)
    LamarkNewAge writes in Message 519:
    We keep seeing accusations of the "right" in Israel being a bunch of blood hungry genocidalists.
    Israel has killed over 55,000 civilians in Gaza. The phrase "blood hungry genocidalists" seems a good fit.
    --Percy

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    Message 521 of 530 (926268)
    07-22-2026 7:53 AM
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    07-22-2026 7:22 AM


    Re: Clarification on the religious "right" in Israel. (Myths are pervasive)
    If you look at the population of Gaza, from the population figures at the start of every decade, then you will see it is probably the most growing population outside of Sub-Sahara Africa.
    Israel has no chance to dent the population numbers, and does not want to.
    The fact that Hamas held hostages for a full 2 years might explain why a reasonable person would not see Israel as the one responsible for a war that lasted over two years. (I can actually count days, and I can tell who was the one refusing to surrender when the end result of a loosing side not surrendering is a result that brings high casualty numbers)

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    Message 522 of 530 (926270)
    07-22-2026 9:20 AM
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    07-22-2026 7:53 AM


    Re: Clarification on the religious "right" in Israel. (Myths are pervasive)
    LamarkNewAge writes in Message 521:
    If you look at the population of Gaza, from the population figures at the start of every decade, then you will see it is probably the most growing population outside of Sub-Sahara Africa.
    But Israel's genocidal practices have caused a sharp drop in birth rate. The population of Gaza has dropped by about 10% since the conflict began, caused by the murder of 55,000 civilians and a precipitous drop in birth rate. Is that genocidal enough for you, or do require something more final solution-ish?
    Israel has no chance to dent the population numbers,...
    This is simply false. See above.
    ...and does not want to.
    Have you asked yourself why Israel should prove so successful at doing something you think it doesn't want to do? Perhaps you should reconsider your premise that they do not want to do it. Netanyahu sure seems like that's exactly what he wants to do, and he has a great deal of support within Israel.
    The fact that Hamas held hostages for a full 2 years might explain why a reasonable person would not see Israel as the one responsible for a war that lasted over two years. (I can actually count days, and I can tell who was the one refusing to surrender when the end result of a loosing side not surrendering is a result that brings high casualty numbers)
    You seem to be saying that Hamas's actions make genocide okay. Do you really believe that?
    --Percy

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    Message 523 of 530 (926272)
    07-22-2026 9:55 AM
    Reply to: Message 522 by Percy
    07-22-2026 9:20 AM


    Re: Clarification on the religious "right" in Israel. (Myths are pervasive)
    Look at the Iraqi deaths in the very quick Operation Desert Storm 35 years ago.
    Look at the Iraqi deaths in the Iraq-Iran War
    Look at the Iranian deaths in the Iraq-Iran War.
    Nobody called that genocide.
    Did you know that the Iraq-Iran War was also a civil war between the Kurds and the central Iraqi government?
    Look at the Kurdish deaths after Hussein gassed Kurdistan's troop positions. It was such a high number of deaths that it forced Ayatollah Khomeini into a ceasefire and end to the war.
    We never called that a genocide.
    Iran killed 52,000 Iranian Kurds January 8-9, 2026.
    Where is the genocide accusation?
    Iran was behind the Hamas & Hezbollah attacks on Israel that started the October 7, 2023 war.
    Why is Iran not responsible for the 1,500 deaths on October 7? Or the 70,000 deaths during the Israel-Hamas Gaza War?
    What about Hezbollah attacking Israeli towns on October 8, 2023? That is not genocide?
    What about Hezbollah killing dozens of Arab Druze children on a playground in 2024? Not genocide?
    Israel finally gave Hezbollah a strong response AFTER the massacre of Arab Druze schoolchildren.
    But Israel is the genocide side, even though they did not start the war.
    If Israel's prosecution of the war was so brutal, then why didn't Hamas release the hostages? It is the law of supply and demand. Hamas could have given Israel what it demanded so Israel did not have to up the purchase. Hamas wanted more from Israel. Hamas wanted more war, more collateral damage.
    Surrender is what saves lives when one side is winning. A refusal to surrender and to give in to conditions prolongs the war and delays the inevitable.
    Hamas started the war. Hamas kept the war continuing. Israel attempted to force an early end to a war it neither asked for, nor deserved

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    Message 524 of 530 (926275)
    07-22-2026 11:12 AM


    Gaza Health Ministry: 22,185 death in Gaza War during the 2023 phase.
    I did an AI search and found AI that said that October 7, 2023 to December 31, 2023 war deaths were 22,185.
    Operation Desert Storm took place over a period of around several days. The estimated Iraqi deaths were 20,000 to 50,000 during Operation Desert Storm.
    The two+ year Gaza War saw around 75,000 Gaza deaths.
    Israel is accused of a genocide, but Israel did not even start the war. Gaza held Israeli hostages for over two years, after a very violent and murderous cross border invasion. Israel actually allowed in 20,000 Gazans for work purposes, just prior to - and during - the Gaza government implementation of the October 7 invasion, killing, and hostage-taking.
    The government of Gaza refused to surrender and return the hostages. Israel had to fight a war to get the hostages back. A war with a nation that Israel previously occupied but then pulled out for peace - decades ago.
    Now Israel finally had to renew the occupation, and it was not the rocket attacks by the Gaza government that forced the reinvasion. It was the additional requirement to get the hostages back, on top of the Gaza government murdering the Israeli people again and again. The hostages were the straw that broke the camels back.

      
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    Message 525 of 530 (926277)
    07-22-2026 11:35 AM
    Reply to: Message 523 by LamarkNewAge
    07-22-2026 9:55 AM


    Re: Clarification on the religious "right" in Israel. (Myths are pervasive)
    Your arguments remind me of the husband who after staying out late once again is berated by his wife. He responds, "Oh, yeah? Well you left your dirty dishes in the sink again." The fallacy here is that one has nothing to do with the other. One offense (dirty dishes) doesn't justify another (staying out late).
    Israel is committing genocide in Gaza. We can't support this. That is not who we are. Means are not justified simply because they help achieve a desired end.
    --Percy

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