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Taq Member Posts: 10304 Joined: Member Rating: 7.3
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Phat writes: Despite that, China has no interest in aggressively policing the world in the manner that the United States has done for 75 years +. China is positioning itself to become the next global power through a financial reset. The Colonel points out that US Hegemony has broken and will not be fixed anytime soon. He argues the case that the weaponization of the US Dollar was the first domino that caused the world we inherited in 1945 (in ruins) to reassert itself in league with BRICS and that we are positioned in opposition to BRICS through the various treaties and agreements of the past. You can't be the next global power if you don't control the oceans. If it weren't for the US guaranteeing safe trade across the oceans then China would still be a poor backwater that has little else but agriculture. The Chinese "miracle" was only possible because of US hegemony. Do you want China's navy deciding if US exported goods make it to their ports, or that US imports make it to our ports? Do you want the Chinese Yuan, one of the most manipulated currencies on the planet, to be the basis of international trade? Most people think these are bad ideas. What about you? No one else is in the position to take the place of the US. China doesn't have a blue water navy, so they are stuck patrolling their own shores. The two most powerful blue water navies outside of the US are the UK and Japan, our two most reliable and closest allies. The most recent BRICS meeting demonstrates how far behind those nations are. Putin brought everyone to Russia to talk about trading in their own currencies, but the people who attended the meeting were told to bring US dollars and Euros to trade in for Rubles while they were in Russia. Pretty hilarious. The attendees weren't able to trade their currency for Rubles, at a meeting where they extolled the virtues of trading in their own currencies. Russia Tells BRICS Summit Guests to Bring US Dollars, Euros - Business Insider
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Phat Member Posts: 18656 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.4 |
So I checked the BBC and Al-Jazeera this morning. I've been too busy to pay much attention to the latest news.
What is Israel’s strategy in targeting Hezbollah’s civilian network? BBC: With Trump in power, any alleged war crimes will likely be squashed.
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Rahvin Member Posts: 4069 Joined: Member Rating: 10.0
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You mean any investigations or accusations of war crimes, along with any further calls for ceasefire or humanitarian relief.
The war crimes will increase. As hard as it is to imagine the situation getting worse, I think we're going to discover that this is due to limits on our imaginations, not on the brutality and evil of the Netanyahu-led genocide of Palestinians. And American complicity will grow.-->“The human understanding when it has once adopted an opinion (either as being the received opinion or as being agreeable to itself) draws all things else to support and agree with it.” - Francis Bacon "There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs." - John Rogers “A world that can be explained even with bad reasons is a familiar world. But, on the other hand, in a universe suddenly divested of illusions and lights, man feels an alien, a stranger. His exile is without remedy since he is deprived of the memory of a lost home or the hope of a promised land. This divorce between man and his life, the actor and his setting, is properly the feeling of absurdity.” – Albert Camus "...the pious hope that by combining numerous little turds of variously tainted data, one can obtain a valuable result; but in fact, the outcome is merely a larger than average pile of shit." - Barash, David 1995... "Many that live deserve death. And some die that deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then be not too eager to deal out death in the name of justice, fearing for your own safety. Even the wise cannot see all ends." - Gandalf, J. R. R. Tolkien: The Lord Of the Rings "The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death." -->Nihil supernum --> -->
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Phat Member Posts: 18656 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.4 |
Upon reading many of the replies here, I think I see a pattern developing. I stated in another topic that the war in the Mid East has religious underpinnings from both sides.
So on one side we have Christian Nationalism(Zionism) linked up with Jewish Zionism.Both nations are foundationally linked to arms sales, the US Dollar, and commerce. We also have BRICS, which despite its problems is growing as a powerful competitor to the West and "our" financial interests. On the other side we have NATO and we have the secular humanist link between non religious Americans and Europeans. Hence the Green New Deal etc etc. All of this supports what the Christians believe is the situation in the world today between "principalities and powers". Europe is largely secular humanist and atheist. (Look at littlle Greta Greenthumb for just one example) The political divide in the US at its core pits the humanists against the Christian Nationalist. In this prior election, the Nationalists won. No green thumb this time.
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Percy Member Posts: 22955 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 7.1 |
That's just a goulash of dubious assertions. I wouldn't know how to begin to respond.
--Percy
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dwise1 Member Posts: 6077 Joined: Member Rating: 7.3
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So on one side we have Christian Nationalism(Zionism) linked up with Jewish Zionism. Both nations are foundationally linked to arms sales, the US Dollar, and commerce. For the Christian Nationalist side, you are forgetting its origins in radical religious right (RRR -- remember back to Falwell et alia at the beginning of the first Reagan Administration). Because of my experience with the Jesus Freak Movement (c. 1970) which sparked the massive growth of fundamentalist churches into super-churches, I see Christian Nationalism's origins to be fundamentalist Christian. However, the roots for the drive to replace the Constitution with an Old Testament theocracy can be traced back to Christian Reconstructionism which was a fundamentalist Calvinist movement whose political agenda was adopted by the fundamentalists/evangelicals/crap-by-any-other-name (would stink no less) despite their enormous theological differences (eg, premillennialism v. postmillennialism). Besides their untenable and completely unrealistic beliefs in biblical literalism and inerrancy, the most striking characteristics of the Jesus Freak iteration was their driving obsession with two things: 1) demons and 2) End Times. Although young-earth creationism was present at the time (ie, circa 1970, though it had existed since the 1920's in Seventh Day Adventism which is the source of many YEC claims), in my experience it was little more than some vague broad claims (eg, "There's evidence of the Flood" but with no specific claims) and two specific claims which were obvious nonsense (eg, "living fresh-water mollusks dated as thousands of years old" and "the NASA computer that discovered Joshua's Lost Day"); it wasn't until a decade later when I was surprised to see that nonsense was still around so, wondering what their evidence was, I started researching it more deeply and of course it all turned out to be nonsense lies -- for the more complete story, refer to my 1990 essay, Why I Oppose Creation Science (or, How I got to Here from There). And a third fundamentalist obsession was arguing that the government should be based on Biblical Law, but that didn't build up any steam until circa 1980. The obsession with End Times and Armageddon has continued. So "Christian Nationalist" support for Israel has nothing to do with Zionism (movement for the establishment of a Jewish homeland), but rather solely for the "fulfillment of prophesies" related to the End Times and in order to bring about the Second Coming by igniting war in the Middle East war centered around Armageddon (gotta keep those End Times prophesies self-fulfilled, after all). IOW, their support for Israel has nothing to do with Zionism, with providing the Jews with a homeland, and everything to do with bringing about the end of the world. They have absolutely no interest in finding any solution to tensions in the Middle East, but rather they are obsessed with making the situation there worse and worse, eagerly (nay, zealously) waiting for war to break out. And if they are able to make money manufacturing and selling arms, then that's just icing on the cake.
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Phat Member Posts: 18656 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.4 |
dwise1 writes: You are right.(though not far-right ) In fact, I believe in a spiritual war of sorts myself. Now that Mike Huckabee has been appointed as the ambassador to Israel, we may have created or allowed a self-fulfilling prophecy situation to commence. There needs to be a balance between the belief that a majority of a country has and the rationality at the top. Take Iran, for example. A clear Theocracy. How about Israel? The obsession with End Times and Armageddon has continued. So "Christian Nationalist" support for Israel has nothing to do with Zionism (movement for the establishment of a Jewish homeland), but rather solely for the "fulfillment of prophesies" related to the End Times and in order to bring about the Second Coming by igniting war in the Middle East war centered around Armageddon (gotta keep those End Times prophesies self-fulfilled, after all). IOW, their support for Israel has nothing to do with Zionism, with providing the Jews with a homeland, and everything to do with bringing about the end of the world. They have absolutely no interest in finding any solution to tensions in the Middle East, but rather they are obsessed with making the situation there worse and worse, eagerly (nay, zealously) waiting for war to break out. And if they are able to make money manufacturing and selling arms, then that's just icing on the cake. Percy once commented on this very thing. Message 23 quote: Percy:And now we have Mike Huckabee as ambassador to Israel. Here are some historic Huckabee quotes:
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Phat Member Posts: 18656 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.4 |
I never make good posts when I am in a hurry. My last post(to dwise1) was more of a summation. Perhaps you can respond to that.
So far as we know, is Mike Huckabee a good choice for Israeli Ambassador? Edited by Phat, : added
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Percy Member Posts: 22955 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 7.1
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Phat writes in Message 488: So far as we know, is Mike Huckabee a good choice for Israeli Ambassador? I don't think it represents a change. The Biden administration strongly supported Israel, and so will the Trump administration. --Percy
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DrJones* Member Posts: 2341 From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 7.9 |
is an evangelical christian good for israel? no.
It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds soon I discovered that this rock thing was true Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world And so there was only one thing I could do Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On *not an actual doctor
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Phat Member Posts: 18656 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.4 |
Why should a mans personal beliefs disqualify him from a professional job?
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dwise1 Member Posts: 6077 Joined: Member Rating: 7.3
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Why should a mans personal beliefs disqualify him from a professional job? It shouldn't, unless that individual fails/refuses to conduct himself in a professional manner. One of the key traits that the military teaches is professionalism:
quote: The aspect of professionalism that I am referring to is doing your job to the best of your ability regardless of personal feelings or prejudices. For example, the military is organized in units and subunits with particular missions. Those units with support missions provide services to other units. And within each unit are subunits with specific jobs supporting other subunits, etc. All interactions are expected to be professional, meaning that we work together with mutual respect and without involving personal feelings or animosities. DrJones*' remark was:
DrJones* writes in Message 490: is an evangelical christian good for israel? no. Evangelical Christians supports Israel solely for the purpose of bringing about the End Times ... as well as in hope of fulfilling Martin Luther's dream of converting the Jews to Christianity (he had started out defending the Jews against traditional anti-Semitism, but in hope of converting them; when he failed in that endeavor he became a virulent anti-Semite). They care nothing for Israel nor for ensuring its future nor for working towards a peaceful solution to the problems in the Middle East. Rather, they just want to help end the world and so will work against peaceful solutions.
In order to act professionally in the job Mike Huckabee is being put up for, an evangelical Christian would need to put aside his personal evangelical Christian agenda of sabotaging peace in the Middle East and instead work towards peace. How many evangelical Christians would have the ability to act professionally in that job? Not many. So what about Mike Huckabee? Here's what Wikipedia says of his position on Israel and Palestine:
quote: 'Nuff said?
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Taq Member Posts: 10304 Joined: Member Rating: 7.3
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Phat writes: Why should a mans personal beliefs disqualify him from a professional job? First, it's a political appointment, so politics matters. If someone vocally expressed their belief that Canada should be nuked I think that would disqualify them from being ambassador to Canada. Just sayin'. The main question is if Huckabee will act on those personal beliefs in a way that threaten US interests since his job is all about US interests abroad. Ultimately, this is going to be judged by President Trump, and subsequently by the media and US populace. I think Huckabee is going to be more of a mouthpiece than a policy setter, so it may not matter that much in the end. You usually have lifers within the State Department that oversee long term policy under the Sec of State and political appointees that serve as the face of the administration.
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dwise1 Member Posts: 6077 Joined: Member Rating: 7.3 |
You usually have lifers within the State Department that oversee long term policy under the Sec of State and political appointees that serve as the face of the administration. What State Dept lifers with years of experience working on behalf of the country? Not after 20 Jan 2025 when Trump reinstates his Schedule F plan to purge highly competent civil servants (AKA "the Deep State" which really is nothing more than non-partisan career civil servants loyal to country and charged with following the law as they keep the government working) with incompetent toadies whose only necessary requirement is complete personal loyalty to Trump. And indeed having long-term policies is very important in diplomacy. Instead, our policies will depend entirely on whoever was the last to blow in Trump's ear (whom he will then follow anywhere). Or on the latest bribe regardless of what he had been bribed to support previously (the size of those bribes being a factor, of course).
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Taq Member Posts: 10304 Joined: Member Rating: 7.3 |
dwise1 writes: What State Dept lifers with years of experience working on behalf of the country? Not after 20 Jan 2025 when Trump reinstates his Schedule F plan to purge highly competent civil servants (AKA "the Deep State" which really is nothing more than non-partisan career civil servants loyal to country and charged with following the law as they keep the government working) with incompetent toadies whose only necessary requirement is complete personal loyalty to Trump. I have a feeling that Trump has been more bluster than substance, but we will see. I know Project 2025 is all about installing commissars, but I think that takes more effort and attention than the Trump administration has available.
And indeed having long-term policies is very important in diplomacy. Instead, our policies will depend entirely on whoever was the last to blow in Trump's ear (whom he will then follow anywhere). Or on the latest bribe regardless of what he had been bribed to support previously (the size of those bribes being a factor, of course). That's what worries me the most.
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