Israel Declares War For The First Time Since 1973.

wwjd?

Phat doesn't care.

Why wouldn't I care? Global Geopolitics affects all of us.My point is that this hypothetical Jesus that many of you conceive of is not simply some wise political figure who brokers peace worldwide. That being said, I do not ascribe to the Jesus that many Christians believe is protecting and blessing Israel regardless of their actions. Israel has some lessons and ways to go before their relationship with G-d and others are re-established.My basic argument with Percy is that we should not in good conscience quit supporting Israel if the terrorist organizations (Hezbollah and Hamas) are simply allowed to re-arm via Iran, Russia, or other ideological and geopolitical players. The US is no longer the sole global cop. Our era of hegemony is nearly over. The previous century saw the rise of the US as a superpower in a unipolar world whereas the trend seems to be steering toward a multi-polar world.NATO notwithstanding, the West is getting challenged in many different areas--some military and some economic. I stick by my predictions in commodities prices, the end of dollar dominance, new ways around sanctions, and new alliances forming.

As Tangle and Theodoric call attention to, if you want an unChristian answer to any question just ask a Christian. You know murdering civilians is wrong and a war crime but keep insisting it's necessary to Israel's defense and therefore okay.But war crimes are not okay, just as murder is not okay, even when carried out by the state. They are never okay. The industrial portions of Dresden were not hidden, and they were mostly not bombed. The bombing of Dresden consisted mostly of carpet bombing the civilian and cultural areas. This is from the same Wikipedia article you quoted from, Bombing of Dresden - Wikipedia:

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In the raid, major industrial areas in the suburbs, which stretched for miles, were not targeted. According to historian Donald Miller, "the economic disruption would have been far greater had Bomber Command targeted the suburban areas where most of Dresden's manufacturing might was concentrated".

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You're still arguing that collateral murdering civilians is okay when attacking combatants. Again, it is not okay. It is never okay. it is morally reprehensible, though strangely I feel certain that a far higher percentage of atheists recognize this than Christians. You only attack combatants when civilians are not at risk. I have no idea how to interpret that parenthesized qualifier, so I'll ignore that part, but the rest is wrong. Of course it is possible to counter terrorist groups without murdering civilians. Israel has simply found it more expeditious to ignore the presence of civilians, as they did yet again in recent attacks on Gaza hospitals.And it doesn't even matter whether it's possible to oppose terrorist groups without murdering civilians. Murdering civilians is still wrong and still a war crime. What does it take to make you see that being opposed to war crimes is not synonymous with advocating the destruction of Israel or with supporting terrorist groups? Opposing the murder of civilians is simple humanity, something you and many other Christians, and many Jews, too, seem to have in short supply.--Percy

Jesus is real to you, so what would he tell you to do? I don't recall Jesus ever worrying about what was realistic or what might happen to your cost of living. He was all about loving neighbours and helping the poor and downtrodden. As a general principle he wasn't about protecting people's wealth was he?So wwjd Phat?

I have no idea why Theodoric brought up the Rothschilds, unless it was as an indirect way to poke fun at you for being a conspiracy theorist, the Rothschilds apparently being the subject of many, as I discovered after looking them up.--Percy

It was first brought up by Phat in Message 436.

You've been saying that the end of Western dominance is upon us, so why are you now suddenly calling it unrealistic? I don't think you know what you think. Where in the world is this coming from? Do you not understand simple English? Paternalism ("Western people be charged to take care of them") is the opposite of being equal partners.You continue to make little sense. You should stop giving voice to the random thoughts coursing through your mind.--Percy

To point out the inherent antisemitism of Phat's comment in Message 436

For as Jesus said "Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself, unless it becomes inconvenient for you then they can go fuck themselves."

This excerpt is from the BBC: 'Everyone flew through the air': Survivors describe Israeli strike on Beirut that killed 18. This is what a war crime looks like:

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Mohammed Sukayneh picked his way through slabs of rubble and twisted metal, clutching a few plastic bags - all he could recover from his home of 45 years.

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It was brought down on top of him and his family last night by an Israeli airstrike, that killed at 18 people, four of them children, according to Lebanon’s Health Ministry.

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The attack happened without warning in a place where people thought they would be safe – about 150 metres from the entrance to Lebanon’s largest public hospital, the Rafik Hariri hospital in southern Beirut.
Mohammed and his family were asleep in their beds.

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“We didn't recognise what is happening,” he said.

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“After the strike we hear the sound like ‘boom, boom, boom, boom’ like this. And everything is thrown on us. Stones, metal, steel, fresh blood, fresh meat on us. You couldn't speak, you couldn't breathe, you couldn't take your oxygen.”

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He names five neighbours who are still under the rubble of their home. And there were others, killed in an instant, in their own neighbourhood – including two 19-year-old girls who were sitting outside his door.

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Mohammed, 54, survived with a grazed arm, but his 20-year-old nephew is now in intensive care. “Half of his brain is crushed,” he said.

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There's more, but you get the idea.--Percy

More war crimes: Lebanon: 'Whole neighbourhood wiped out' in Israel air strike:

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When the air strike hit on Monday night, Fouad Hassan, 74, was sitting on his balcony in south Beirut’s Jnah neighbourhood, reading his phone.

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No evacuation order was given by the Israeli army before the rocket slammed into the home of his children and grandchildren a short walk away.

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“When the bombing happened, I fainted,” Fouad says. “I was taken to get oxygen due to the smoke from the strike. When I got better, I realised that the entire neighbourhood was devastated.”

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Now a pile of mangled steel and masonry lies where a number of residential buildings stood closely together. Where buildings are still standing, people's possessions can be seen inside through holes blasted in the walls.
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A digger and about 40 local men are doing the slow work to excavate and look for bodies under the rubble.
“Look at the destruction - a whole neighbourhood wiped out, the people here dead,” Fouad says, gesturing over the bomb site. “My granddaughter died here, and my grandson is still in a coma. Both were 23 years old.”
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Since Israel began escalating its air strikes against Hezbollah in September, rockets have hit across the length and breadth of the country.
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However it is also a campaign that has taken many innocent lives, with numerous reports of entire families being killed in strikes around the country.

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War crimes, crimes against man and God carried out by supposed men of God and enabled by yet other supposed men of God. What decent person could worship this God who causes men to do such things to one another.--Percy

For as God said, "If they bother you too much wipe them all out."I Samuel 15
3 Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy[a] all that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.’”

If you blame God, you are barking up the wrong tree. Based on your logic, the United States should have been indicted for bombing Hiroshima and Nagasaki. If your issue is with Israel, I can see your frustration but if your problem is with God, I would consider it political suicide to mock Him.
Message 70

God is merely an excuse to see your enemy as less than human, a demon in league with evil, that you can visit the most horrendous pain and suffering upon. Indeed, the situation is intellectual suicide to accept such a fantasy and not mock the visage to an extreme.