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Author Topic:   Israel Declares War For The First Time Since 1973.
marc9000
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Message 30 of 378 (913154)
10-14-2023 10:47 AM
Reply to: Message 23 by Percy
10-13-2023 9:09 AM


Re: It All Started With the Nakba
...Israel inflicts unending suffering and hardship on Palestinians,
Not to start an argument, (though there will probably be one ) how does Israel do that? I'm referring to pre-October 7th, and all past times of relative peace in that area, what specific ways does Israel inflict this?
I'm not seeing references to this on the news, including the mainstream news. It seems like aoc and her allies, (who are darlings of the mainstream media) would lay out the details of this, and the news would clearly describe it. I'm not seeing it.

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marc9000
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Message 37 of 378 (913171)
10-14-2023 9:01 PM
Reply to: Message 32 by Theodoric
10-14-2023 11:28 AM


Re: It All Started With the Nakba
Feining ignorance is never a good look.
Thank you for your gracious welcome back.
Basic research puts a lie to your claim.
WHAT CLAIM WAS THAT? I never made a claim, I asked a question! I realize there are far-left websites that are anti-Israel, but if those things are true, why aren't they all over the mainstream news? I seldom miss ABC World News Tonight, the "MOST WATCHED PROGRAM IN ALL OF TELEVISION", news or otherwise. I also know that NBC, CBS, CNN, PBS, all report news with a similar liberal bias as ABC. If I'm ignorant of something they're all not reporting on, or barely reporting on, then the vast majority of U.S. population is ignorant of it as well. AOC and one or two others (Omar, Tlaib?) have recently made put-down statements about Israel that are more mild than what Percy said, and they've been roundly criticized for it. Biden is falling all over himself in his support for Israel. Your link referenced that, but didn't seriously criticize him for it.
The political left in this country has a disdain for Israel, largely because of the Judeo-Christian morality Israel has traditionally represented, and because of Israel's free markets. Why is it so politically incorrect for them to shout it from the rooftops, similar to the way they do for their constant Trump hate?

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Message 42 of 378 (913187)
10-15-2023 8:17 PM
Reply to: Message 38 by AZPaul3
10-15-2023 1:31 AM


Re: It All Started With the Nakba
marc9000 writes:
Biden is falling all over himself in his support for Israel.

Is that what you call standing up and stating in no uncertain terms his support? Is that what you call the restructuring of our forces in the area? You think that's "falling all over" for something?
Yes.
Some would consider that looking the arab world straight in the eye and saying, "Make my day, Punk!"
Yes, the same thing just about any Republican would have done Including Trump. The big difference is that the arab world would have taken a Republican seriously, instead of laughing at Biden.
marc9000 writes:
Your link referenced that, [Biden's support for Israel] but didn't seriously criticize him for it.

Why should they?
Because of what Percy said about Israel being a terrible country? Because of Theodoric's link calling Israel a terrible country? Because of current protests at some college campuses in the U.S that support Hamas? Because of what YOU said about Judeo Christian morality being evil? Is the blind loyalty to Biden far worse than the mainstream media claims about the "cult" of blind loyalty to Trump?
Judeo-Christian morality is the evil poison your religions used to create this bloody inhumane situation. Judeo-Christian morality is responsible for these crimes and deserves all disdain for all time.
Yet if Biden expresses support for Israel, you're fine with that?
Come on, marc. Hating on Trump is closer to home. It also has a more compelling reason to it. We're trying to keep you fascists from the oval office. That's a priority.
More than securing the southern border? Hamas is probably already here in large numbers.
But you should really try to learn what words actually mean.
quote:
Ronald Reagan: Always has been. How do we call a liberal? You know someone very profoundly once said many years ago, that if fascism ever comes to America it will come in name of liberalism. And what is fascism? Fascism is private ownership, private enterprise, but total government control and regulation. Well, isn’t this the liberal philosophy. The conservative so-called, is the one that says less government, get off my back, get out of my pocket, and let me have more control of my own destiny.
(bolded mine)
Ronald Reagan statement on Liberalism during 1975 interview by Mike Wallace on 60 Minutes - The Thinking Conservative
Free markets, but with more and more gun control, more and more climate regulation, more and more 'license, regulate, restrict, prohibit', in more and more ways. Today's Democrats. Republicans / conservatives are not the fascists.

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marc9000
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Message 43 of 378 (913188)
10-15-2023 8:22 PM
Reply to: Message 41 by AZPaul3
10-15-2023 11:16 AM


Re: Free Palestine How?
Phat writes:
What can Palestine do to become free?

Kill Israel.
Why do you have nothing to say about Biden's support of Israel?
Palestine's economy these last 70 years is a direct result of Israeli design and enforcement. As is their political state. Three generations of direct overt oppression and you wonder why the Palestinians are so pissed?
Another reason they're pissed is because no other Arab countries want them! They're not productive. They don't have a Judeo Christian work ethic.

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marc9000
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Message 187 of 378 (913581)
11-16-2023 7:47 PM
Reply to: Message 176 by Percy
11-13-2023 4:39 PM


Re: This Sums Up The General Attitude
If some combination of Hamas forces and materiel are under a hospital then there is only one way for Israel to act that is not a war crime: they must first evacuate all civilians in the hospital to another medical facility that is adequately safe and appropriate for each patient's care. If the hospital is destroyed then Israel is responsible for finding permanent safe and appropriate medical facilities for the patients.

But if Israel commits war crimes while combating Hamas then our political leaders, Biden first and foremost, must step up to the plate and treat Israel as the war criminal nation that it is.

Having atrocities committed against you does not confer upon you the right to commit atrocities in return, not against the principals who committed the original atrocities, nor against those who are merely in the way. We know this, it's what our humanity requires, and if we fail to acknowledge this then we lose our humanity and remain the enablers of evil that we have been for decades.
Would you say that the 1945 U.S. bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki were war crimes?

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marc9000
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Message 189 of 378 (913583)
11-17-2023 9:15 AM
Reply to: Message 188 by Phat
11-17-2023 1:59 AM


Re: This Sums Up The General Attitude
marc9000 writes:
Would you say that the 1945 U.S. bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki were war crimes?
No, because those explosions, while tragic, actually saved more lives than they took out.
Even the U.S. mainstream media admits that it's a fact that Hamas has tunnels and arms under hospitals. Isn't it safe to say that if Israel vaporizes those hospitals and all of Hamas under them, that it would save many more lives in the long run? Before a half dozen others pour in here and call me a bunch of names, that's not what I'm advocating, and it's not what Israel is doing. Israel is being more tactical, more surgical in their military operations than Truman was with the 1945 bombings. Of course it's true that Truman, as well as most of the U.S. was really tired of the war and the Japanese. Isn't it safe to say that Israel is equally tired of the brazen, open calls for their complete extermination by much of the Arab world, while a good portion of the rest of the world shrugs it off?
Percy said this earlier;
Percy writes:
If some combination of Hamas forces and materiel are under a hospital then there is only one way for Israel to act that is not a war crime: they must first evacuate all civilians in the hospital to another medical facility that is adequately safe and appropriate for each patient's care. If the hospital is destroyed then Israel is responsible for finding permanent safe and appropriate medical facilities for the patients.
Truman didn't do anything like that for Japan, did he? I'm just glad Truman wasn't a Republican, today's Democrat party would be up in arms; "REPARATIONS FOR JAPAN!! ADD 5 TRILLION MORE TO THE DEBT! GET TRUMP OFF THE BALLOTT - THAT IS DEMOCRACY!!
There are different extremes of war crimes. Israel is often the victim of the most brutal kind. (October 7th) Or the possibility of chemical / biological weapons, also war crimes. If Israel doesn't KILL the enemy in the most efficient ways, if it perfectly polices itself for the most liberal definition of "war crimes", it will not survive.

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Message 193 of 378 (913587)
11-17-2023 9:12 PM
Reply to: Message 190 by Percy
11-17-2023 9:36 AM


Re: This Sums Up The General Attitude
Targeting civilians is always a war crime. The bombing of Dresden is another horrific example. If I had my way, war itself would be a war crime.
As the Bible says, there will always be wars and rumors of wars. Because of the "increase of wickedness". We see it more and more from enemies of the U.S., both within and without.
That being said, WWII embodied much different circumstances. The Japanese and German war machines were prepared to fight to the point of destruction of their countries at enormous human cost.
The Hamas and Hezbollah war machines are also prepared to fight to the point of destruction of Palestine. No difference yet.
Germany actually did this and had to be overrun by allied forces before surrendering.
Hamas and Hezbollah are on the way to doing the same thing, that's why Israel is working on overrunning it.
Japan would have done the same but on a much more determined scale that would have intentionally (rather than incidentally) involved civilians
Hamas has already very intentionally involved civilians.
Forcing Japan to surrender by bombing Hiroshima and Nagasaki cost many fewer civilian lives than an invasion of the main island would have.
Israel can't force Hamas and Hezbollah to surrender, they're not countries, they're just rag-tag terrorists, funded largely, if not completely by Iran. They have to be KILLED. Killing them, even at the expense of hundreds of the Palestinians Hamas hides behind, will cost far fewer civilian lives than the Jewish civilian lives that will be lost to countless new terrorist attacks in Israel. Differences between what Truman did and what Israel is now doing just aren't there.
Japan and Germany were aggressor nations that needed to be stopped, while the Isaeli/Palestinian situation involves decades of abuse of Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank which continues through the present. The decades of helplessness and hopelessness that Israel caused is responsible for the Hamas attack.
Yes, these are Hamas talking points. Links? Japan and Germany equally had their own talking points to justify their aggression towards the U.S. and the other allies. The four squad members of congress parrot them as well. Why doesn't Biden parrot them? Why doesn't ABC World News Tonight repeat them? There are protests in college campuses all over much of the U.S. that repeats them, but why don't any other Democrat congressmen, other than the four I mentioned above, have much if anything to say about them?
ABC World News Tonight reports NOTHING on the college campus riots that are in support of Hamas. On October 18th, there was an insurrection at the Capitol, inspired by Rashida Tlaib, who was actually there, unlike Trump who was NOT present during the January 6th riot. 300 people who breached the capitol were arrested. No windows were broken, no black policemen shot anybody, Tlaib continued to lie about the hospital bombing of a few weeks ago, accusing Israel, when intelligence reports confirmed that it was an errant terrorist rocket that caused it. Tlaib has since been censured by congress.
https://www.thejc.com/...g-us-capitol-79D1RGYS8nhOu0LkEzMtxw
NO Reports on any of this on World News Tonight.
Only two days ago, there was a violent protest at the DNC headquarters near the capitol, resulting in injuries to six police officers. Democrat congressmen had to be evacuated, similar to January 6th.
Top House Democrats evacuated from DNC headquarters as police clash with protesters calling for Gaza ceasefire | CNN Politics
NO REPORTS ON ABC World News Tonight.
No one expects Israel to treat the Palestinians more humanely during a time of war than they do during times of peace, so calls like mine will go unheeded by Israel.
So if only Israel would cave in to Palestinian demands for free stuff or whatever it is they want, then all calls by all terrorist organizations for the complete destruction of Israel would immediately stop? Just another of the one or two things you and I will have to agree to disagree on.

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marc9000
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Message 195 of 378 (913589)
11-18-2023 9:38 PM
Reply to: Message 194 by Percy
11-18-2023 1:15 PM


Re: This Sums Up The General Attitude
Religious people see things through the lens of their religion.
Secular people have the same type of lens. They worship the earth, the government, have fears of weather, etc.
Germany and Japan were aggressor nations bent on empire and attacking and occupying surrounding peaceful nations. The situation between Israel and the terrorist groups arrayed against them is much different. Israel and Hamas, Hezbollah, etc., have been battling each other for decades. In addition, Israel, as the dominant military power, has been abusing and victimizing Palestinians for as many decades. They disenfranchise, shoot and murder Palestinians on the West Bank. Gaza has been under blockade for decades. There is no similarity to Germany and Japan's efforts at world domination in the years leading up to and during WWII.
The relationships between the Axis countries and Allied countries were strained decades before WW2. WW2 was largely a continuation of the unfinished WW1 from decades earlier. You think there's no similarity between that conflict and the Israel / Hamas conflict, and i think there is. So there we are. I'll be told I'm wrong, I won't respond.
Over 10,000 Palestinian civilians have already been killed. Killing doesn't stop killing.
Not when civilians are killed, no. But when terrorist leaders are killed it does. Osama Bin Laden hasn't killed a single person in the last 12 years. The 10,000 deaths were mostly all shields that the chicken Hamas leaders hide behind. A few of the terrorist leaders have been killed.
And you seem to value Jewish lives much more than Palestinian lives.
Can't argue with that, I guess I have something in common with Harry Truman, he seemed to value American lives more than Japanese lives. Let's see, as you said above, the West Bank (Palestinians) elect terrorists to lead them. Israel has always been a staunch ally of the U.S. Israeli soldiers target other soldiers, they don't burn babies alive and rape and kill women like Palestinian terrorists do. Your statement about what I value more is correct.
Links? You want links? To events that have been in the news for decades? I wouldn't know where to start.
I was only thinking of forum rule #5. Biden's support of Israel seems to show no knowledge of them, neither do ABC World News Tonight reports. Surely there would be other readers here besides just myself who could be enlightened by links, maybe the sources of those links.
Japan's justifications for Pearl Harbor were economic, not military actions by the US, and not even the eminent threat of military action by the US.
Much of the terrorist activities against Israel are also economic. Terrorists hate free markets, a large part of the reason they attacked the World TRADE Center on 9/11.
What is being said that you think isn't true?
That there will be peace if there is a cease-fire. There WAS peace, It ended on October 7th. Israel didn't take the initiative to end it.
You have an interesting definition of insurrection.
It is interesting, in that it doesn't flip flop according to which party the insurrectionists belong to. It is true that the accusation by Democrats that those at the Capitol on January 6th were "trying to overturn the election", was repeated over and over and over and over again by the mainstream media, but if they would just come down from their emotional frenzy for 30 seconds they'd realize that a riot by a few hundred people doesn't come within light-years of being able to overturn a U.S. presidential election.
The capitol was open at the time. Anyone could enter. The arrests were because after entering they caused a disturbance by demonstrating. Demonstrations aren't permitted within the capitol.
And there was very little, if any, evening network news reports on this.
White House rebukes pro-Palestinian protesters for red paint left on gate, not tearing Israeli hostage posters
Vandalism at the White House gates also is not permitted. Very little, if any, evening network news reports.
My position on this hasn't changed. People should be held accountable for their actions.
Should the mainstream media be held accountable for covering up important news? It's the biggest problem this country has, the last election was determined by the Biden family Ukraine cover up. The millions of people who get home from work, or school, and get their news from the networks after their local news and weather didn't know a thing about it. And they voted - voted in ways they regretted later. Now they're paying for it with a wide open southern border, runaway inflation, runaway interest rates, runaway energy prices.
There is some hope though - you remember the unusual cold spell that lasted for close to a week, a month or so ago, in the midwest and northern parts of the U.S.? The jet stream does that sometimes, it has since meteorologists have been studying it. Then it settled back to normal as it always does, and it warmed back to average temperatures in a couple of days. David Muir of ABC World News Tonight called the warmup "WEATHER WHIPLASH!!!!". Some of the general public who is largely uninterested in politics might not clearly notice the way Muir subliminally pushes the climate change narrative as hard as he can with clever references to the Democrat talking points about it, but there had to be some of those viewers who had to wheel around and look at their television in disbelief, at stupidity like that. Maybe a few more, of the 40% or so of those who still think these evening news reports are anything more than liberal entertainment, got a wake up call.
The call is for Israel to begin treating the Palestinians like human beings. Ceasing to steal their land (West Bank) and kill them (West Bank and Gaza) is what simple humanity demands.
History shows that no matter how much Israel caves, the terrorist attacks against them won't stop.

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Message 220 of 378 (913673)
11-27-2023 2:21 PM
Reply to: Message 213 by Phat
11-25-2023 8:20 AM


Re: How the World Sees Us
Let's get one thing clear. Israel will NEVER cease to exist. They have over 100 Nukes and would not hesitate to use them if their existence were threatened.
I don't think it's clear. Their existence is threatened right now. If Iran sucker punches them with a nuke that destroys a significant percentage of their country, they would never be able to recover from it, financially or otherwise.
Israel's very existence is far more threatened now than the U.S. existence was in August of 1945, the U.S. had recently defeated Germany, and is geographically isolated in a way that Israel is not. Israel is far more justified in wasting some civilian life to defeat their enemy, far more than Truman / Democrats were in wasting somewhere between 129,000 and 226,000 Japanese civilians in 1945.
Unlike Hamas and other terrorists, Israel never openly celebrates their enemy's dead civilians. Same as the U.S. in 1945. I believe they'll do the right thing.

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Message 221 of 378 (913674)
11-27-2023 2:38 PM
Reply to: Message 219 by Percy
11-26-2023 9:27 AM


Re: A Reflection Of My Own Wicked Heart
You have these crazy ideas bouncing around in your head, probably from YouTube videos, that you then randomly attribute to us. No one here has suggested letting Hamas have their way. That's all you, not any of us. Own your crazy ideas and leave us out of them.
I think he has a better understanding of the word conflict than you do. Most definitions of that word include the term "two", as in TWO opposing forces. When you show opposition to one, you show favor to the other, however slight. It's difficult to have a debate with someone who takes a neutral, lofty middle ground with no defining characteristics. If you constantly harp on how terrible Israel treats Palestinians, or how terrible Israel's current war crimes are, repeating talking points of Hamas, then you ARE suggesting letting Hamas have their way. Unless you can come up with a different suggestion for Israel, that would as effectively, or more effectively, defeat Hamas. But you never seem to do that.
I don't know what you mean when you say the ideology must change, but certainly the way Israel deals with Palestinians under its control must change.
Do you have a position on that, a position that Hamas wouldn't celebrate?

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Message 225 of 378 (913691)
11-29-2023 4:32 PM
Reply to: Message 222 by Percy
11-28-2023 7:52 AM


Re: A Reflection Of My Own Wicked Heart
marc9000 writes:
When you show opposition to one, you show favor to the other, however slight.

I've been pretty clear on this. I'm against atrocities and crimes against humanity, no matter who commits them, but having atrocities committed against you doesn't give you the right to commit atrocities back.
You've only been clear on what you want Israel to NOT do, you haven't been clear on what Israel could do to lessen the chances that they won't be terrorized again.
quote:
Atrocity, atrocious; extremely or shockingly wicked, cruel, or brutal:
an atrocious crime.
shockingly bad or tasteless; dreadful; abominable:
an atrocious painting; atrocious manners.
ATROCIOUS Definition & Usage Examples | Dictionary.com
Different people would have different definitions of just what atrocities, or war crimes are, depending on what the perpetrator is initiating, or responding to. If Harry Truman for example, would have bombed a country, killing 200,000 people because of a simple economic dispute, it would have been much more of a war crime than what his reason for bombing Japan actually was, to end a brutal 2 1/2 year war, initiated by Japan with Pearl Harbor. It worked.
What Hamas did on October 7th, was a war crime, an atrocity. A Harry Truman style response is the only thing that works. No one including you thinks that Israel suddenly making nice with Hamas is going to lessen the chances of another atrocity against them by Hamas. Using force, killing leaders, is the only thing that has ever historically worked to end wars.
I've also been pretty clear on this. Israel is its own worst enemy as it creates successive generations of terrorists through its maltreatment of the Palestinian people under its control.
Israel will also create successive generations of terrorists if it lets current ones terrorize it. Palestine and other Arab countries have made a sport of hating Israel for thousands of years. Israel suddenly making nice for weeks or months isn't going to stop the hate against them. Showing current terrorists that it's easy to terrorize won't be as detrimental as showing future terrorists that becoming a terrorist isn't a good career move, if all their predecessors become dead. Most terrorists don't want to become dead, a few suicide ones do, but they want their demise to be on their own terms.
Hitler became dead, Mussolini became dead, Yamamoto (architect of Pearl Harbor) became dead. No one seemed eager to step up and replace them.
I have no answers for the conundrum in which Israel has placed itself...
So Israel is 100% at fault for October 7th?
I've been very clear on this, too. Israel must cease its maltreatment of Palestinians, something the whole world would celebrate, not just Hamas. That would entail Israel ceasing to support and encourage settler appropriation of Palestinian property on the West Bank, ceasing the retaliatory destruction of Palestinian houses, and ceasing treating Palestinians the same as the South treated blacks under Jim Crow.
Israel should just be nice then? That will cause the whole Muslim world to stop chanting "from the river to the sea"? It will increase terrorism against them.

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Message 226 of 378 (913692)
11-29-2023 4:44 PM
Reply to: Message 224 by Percy
11-29-2023 12:48 PM


Re: To The Victors Go The Spoils
Percy writes:
Phat writes:
That fact might eventually happen in the court of public opinion.

Israel lost years ago in the court of public opinion. All they're doing now is confirming people's judgments.
Then why does Biden, and about half the Democrat party, continue to support them? It is true that the other half of Democrats, largely college students, continue to march and protest anything Israel does at places like Harvard, and many other universities. It's interesting that these students are brainwashed by college professors, most of whon aren't Muslims, but are atheists. There seems to be an increasing camaraderie and unification of Muslims and atheists. It's the "enemy of my enemy is my friend" pharse. They're unified in their hatred of Judeo-Christianity.

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marc9000
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Message 230 of 378 (913696)
11-29-2023 7:18 PM
Reply to: Message 228 by Percy
11-29-2023 5:08 PM


Re: To The Victors Go The Spoils
marc9000 writes:
Then why does Biden, and about half the Democrat party, continue to support them?

How is this question a reasonable follow-up to what I just said, or even make sense? Why are you putting this in a purely American context?
Because you put it in a purely American context with the following, from Message 222
I have no answers for the conundrum in which Israel has placed itself, and us, too, through our support and close political affiliation with them. We have tolerated unacceptable Israeli policies against the Palestinians for literally generations when we should have been making clear to Israel that they must stop if they want our continued support.
Your five words that I bolded show how YOU put it in a purely American context.
You've been watching too many YouTube videos again.
Actually, I watched Fox News during lunch today, as they showed video footage of the protests, complete with college students saying anti-sematic things into microphones. And amazingly, ABC World News Tonight actually showed police in New York in riot gear, to protect against Israel hating disruptions during the upcoming Christmas tree lighting, disruptions that happened during the Thanksgiving day parade. They spent about two quick minutes on that, before moving on to GEORGE SANTOS!!!!!! STORMY WEATHER IN LATE NOVEMBER!!!!!!!!

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Message 231 of 378 (913697)
11-29-2023 7:21 PM
Reply to: Message 229 by AZPaul3
11-29-2023 6:51 PM


Re: To The Victors Go The Spoils
marc9000 writes:
Then why does Biden, and about half the Democrat party, continue to support them?

There are more important considerations than a public opinion popularity contest. And you know this. You're just trying to throw more bombs. Powder puffs. Duds.
Yes, I do know that. Too bad my question did not have a thing in this world to do with popularity.

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