2024 US Presidential Election

Of course you have nothing to back this.Cultist idiot.

How can you possibly judge this. You clearly have very, very little understanding of economics.Though it would be interesting if you stated your reasons for believing this.

So you choose to have the economy led by someone who has had to declare bankruptcy seven times and has been convicted of fraud?So you choose someone who admires Putin and Xi and Kim to guide foreign policy?

You're getting your talking points about the Democratic candidate from the Republicans. We've been over this. You can't trust what one party says about the other. You said as much yourself recently.But let's take your points at face value, accepting them as factually true for the sake of discussion:

Issue	Harris	Trump
Foreign policy	Lacks experience	Cozies up to dictators; admires them; wishes he was one Easily manipulated by flattery from foreign leaders Hostile towards NATO and allies in general Wants to place Ukraine at Russia's mercy
Economics	Does not understand economics	Thinks foreign countries pay tariffs Believes the biggest tax benefits should go to the rich Increased the deficit by $7 or $8 billion Went bankrupt 6 times Convicted on 34 counts involving financial fraud
Palestine	Pro-Palestinian	Recently equivocal
Israel	Anti-Israel	Pro-Israel

Now add to this that Harris is not pro-Palestinian and anti-Israel, that you probably got this lie from the Republicans or conservative media, and that brings us back to the same old question: Why are you voting for this guy?--Percy

I'm replying again because I forgot to say a couple things, not that others haven't already covered them.First, you are spectacularly bad at some things, like finance and politics and really anything that requires an element of logical thinking. Most people emphasize those things that they have a bit of a knack for, but not you. You keep inserting yourself into areas where you are hopelessly out of your depth and a prime target for flimflam. Why don't you find something you're good at?Second, Harris does not lack foreign policy experience. During her vice-presidency she made 16 foreign trips. For example, back in February she represented the United States at the Munich Security Conference for the third time. She's met with Ukrainian President Zelensky several times and held a joint press conference with him in Munich. She's advocating for Russia to pay damages to Ukraine after the war. She's hard on Putin, for example blaming him for Navalny's death.Back in December on a trip to Dubai for a United Nations climate conference she advocated for Israel's right to defend itself but said that that should not come at the cost of innocent Palestinian lives, and that Israel should be doing much more to allow humanitarian aid for the Palestinians.Third, you're behaving like a bigot when you assign broad attributes to large groups of people, such as saying that Democrats are bad at economics. What's next? Asians are bad drivers? Mexicans are lazy? Jews are money grubbers?Trump does not care about anyone far below him on the economic ladder. Why are you voting for a billionaire who's playing you like a rube?--Percy

Everyone, including yourself, knows that you and tRump are grossly ignorant about foreign policy and economics, so this must be a poor attempt at humor. Everyone, including yourself, knows that tRump is the embodiment of the seven deadly sins and a repeated violator of the Ten Commandments. Surely, no sincere christian would celebrate/support a nearly perfect ‘anti-christ,” so this clearly must be another sad and failed attempt at humor.Humor aside, it would save all of us a lot of time and effort if you and krose would just honestly state your true reasons for supporting tRump: Cruelty, stealing, and raping. Especially the raping.A sociopath is gonna sociopath, am I right?

What has Trump done that showed you he does know about economics? I mean, let's forget for a moment his history of bankruptcy, increasing the debt by a stellar amount, all kinds of other things.What has Trump done to make you feel he does understand economics?

For cultists it has nothing to do with knowing or understanding. It is all about feeling and perceiving to be higher on a pecking order. The convicted felon makes Phat feel like he is higher on an imaginary pecking order than, immigrants, blacks, gays, jews, moslems, women or any other group that is not white, male, christian.

No respect for our troops, vets or our fallen.

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"Federal law prohibits political campaign or election-related activities within Army National Military Cemeteries, to include photographers, content creators or any other persons attending for purposes, or in direct support of a partisan political candidate's campaign," according to the statement. "Arlington National Cemetery reinforced and widely shared this law and its prohibitions with all participants."

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Trump campaign staff had altercation with official at Arlington Cemetery : NPR

Well, I'd like for Phat to say that then. I do feel there's a lot of ganging up on him going on. If that were to happen to me, I'd prolly be like 'fuck this!', I got better things to do than that. But yet, here he is, so yeah, he's got that going! I remember always liking him way back when I was here in the past.Though he has changed a bunch, it feels. Grown more extreme in his views.

Say what? That the convicted felon makes him feel like "real man"?
When someone spouts as much hate and verifiable stupidity that Phat does on a public forum they deserve all of the incoming they get.
I have never agreed with Phat on much. As long as the conversation was not about the jesus dude, he could stay pleasant and reasonable. I used to care about his health issues and send messages to him to make sure he was ok.
Phat was bad enough when the convict was in office, he got magnitudes worse during the Biden presidency.
Now he is a caricature of a right-wing nut job.
Phat advocates for policies that would make me (an atheist) a non-citizen and probably imprisoned or worse. He advocates for policies that would see many of my friends and family (lgbqt+) lose their rights to marriage and imprisoned for any of their sexual acts. He advocates for policies that will destroy the economy of Th US and probably the world. He advocates for policies that will end democracy in the US.
I will stop here. But I will vigorously respond to the hate, misinformation and abject stupidity that Phat spouts.

Phat claims that the convicted felon needs to be elected as he is a wise businessman. Seemingly all donny seems to know is how to explode debt.
Here are some facts and figures. I wonder what the excuse will be this time? All we are going to hear is that the Harris plan increases debt by $1.2T. The fact that donny's plan explodes it by $5.8T will be completely ignored.

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Donald Trump's campaign promises would send the national debt soaring much faster than Kamala Harris' would, per two new analyses from the Penn Wharton Budget Model. Both of them increase the deficit relative to the current baseline...

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What they found: Keeping Trump's campaign promises would increase the national debt by $5.8 trillion over 10 years, while Harris' would cost $1.2 trillion.

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If the policies are scored using "dynamic pricing" that reflects increased tax revenues from policies that increase economic activity, the gap shrinks a little, with Trump's promises costing $4.1 trillion to Harris' $2 trillion.

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Trump will ad $5.8 trillion to debt

I'm very hard on Phat. He used to be a nice guy with a positive views of people. When he abandoned all that I assumed it was temporary and that reflecting back to him what he used to believe would help bring the old Phat back. But it didn't work, and it doesn't work.The personality/attitude change is so dramatic that I believe diabetes has altered his brain. Diabetic ketoacidosis (DKA) occurs when blood sugar rises above 250. My bet is that Phat has experienced many episodes of DKA, and each one has further altered his mental state.The article THE IMPACT OF BLOOD SUGAR LEVELS & DKA ON YOUR BRAIN describes the brain injuries that can result, here's a couple:

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• Areas of cognitive impairment studied included: full scale IQ, executive function, information processing speed, working memory and general memory.
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• Chronically high blood sugar levels cause more injury to the brain than previously thought, and are associated with chronic inflammation and oxidative brain damage.

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Note the mention of executive function. It is a key component of problem solving and making sense of things.--Percy

I venture to guess that is part of it, but I also think he is like a lot of other MAGAts. The convicted felon made them feel it was alright to express their prejudices and hate. They have glommed on to the right-wing pecking order view of society. If life is a zero sum they are not to blame for their own failures. They can only rise up if they kick someone else down. Not particularly christian, but that is where we are at.

Alright, and I've seen that as well, but you guys also know that telling a person they're stupid, ridiculous, bad in so many ways isn't going to help out with that. I don't quite remember who posted it, but it was a whole thing about how Jehovah's witnesses and how them going door to door isn't about converting lost souls.It's about cementing again and again that there's two sides, and one side hates the other. I know you guys don't hate him, and there's definitely grievances and some pretty bad arguments coming from him that he hasn't defended in the slightest.But I see post after post of vitriol and that's really not going to do anything good, it's not going to convince him. I mean, I've joined into the dogpile, but that just creates a larger us versus him scenario, and that just fuels the disconnect.Hence why I just want to tone down on that, I'd prefer getting into a great debate one on one with him and just hashing out details instead, see instead if I can get to the core of why he feels and thinks the way he does.