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Author Topic:   2024 US Presidential Election
PaulK
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Message 1412 of 1516 (920037)
08-26-2024 2:35 AM
Reply to: Message 1350 by Phat
08-23-2024 11:10 AM


Re: supporters of a rapist
quote:
The basic difference between progressives and populists is that if a populist doesn't like you they may block you yet not bother to report you, while a progressive would not only block you but insist on reporting you.
Really? “Populists” wouldn’t organise a vicious hate campaign?
You know if, for example a librarian opposed book-banning?

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PaulK
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Message 1413 of 1516 (920038)
08-26-2024 2:48 AM
Reply to: Message 1411 by Phat
08-26-2024 1:26 AM


Re: Momentum
quote:
I feel that he will win this election and do it without cheating
There was a lot of cheating and attempts at cheating from the Republicans last time. What makes you think this time will be any different? I predict more cheating, not less.

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Zucadragon
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Message 1414 of 1516 (920039)
08-26-2024 5:59 AM
Reply to: Message 1411 by Phat
08-26-2024 1:26 AM


Re: Momentum
Well, you can't have both, the youth are generally more feeling-oriented. And Trump is quite the failed businessman, he cons other businesses, abuses the rules, all out of greed and a sense of entitlement that makes everything a one way street for him.
Have you never felt "Huh, that's odd" when the stock markets are doing well and he proclaims it's because the market is responding to the sheer possibility that he'll become president soon.
Only for the stock market to go down and have him blame that on Biden.
If you really like him, tell me one significant thing that he's taken responsibility for in his presidency, I'm talking mistakes here, there's plenty, name one thing where he clearly stated that he was wrong and he'll have to do better in the future or some variation of that.
Man, that question can probably be applied to his life in general. He always shifts the blame, he never takes responsibility.
On a secondary note, have you seen the absolutely unhinged fundraising mails his campaign has been sending out? Talk about feeling-oriented. They're crazy weird, but they're doing it because they're pretending to show feeling.
From the mails telling you Trump loves you and wants your support, to talking about guillotines, the so called dem pocalypse, or how democrats want him dead. It's pretty unhinged, so you can't say they're not being feeling-oriented when something like that is going on.

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Percy
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Message 1415 of 1516 (920040)
08-26-2024 7:57 AM
Reply to: Message 1411 by Phat
08-26-2024 1:26 AM


Re: Momentum
Phat writes in Message 1411:
There are a lot of "stupid" people.
Oh, the irony.
--Percy

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Theodoric
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Message 1416 of 1516 (920041)
08-26-2024 8:23 AM
Reply to: Message 1412 by PaulK
08-26-2024 2:35 AM


Re: supporters of a rapist
He disagrees with a whole platform that I am sure he has not read.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up, why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 1417 of 1516 (920042)
08-26-2024 8:23 AM
Reply to: Message 1415 by Percy
08-26-2024 7:57 AM


Re: Momentum
You will have to explain that word to him.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up, why would you have to lie?


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nwr
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Message 1418 of 1516 (920043)
08-26-2024 9:27 AM
Reply to: Message 1411 by Phat
08-26-2024 1:26 AM


Re: Momentum
Phat writes in Message 1411:
I prefer businessmen to run this country rather than *feeling-oriented* politicians.
And that's just after you said:
I feel that he will win this election and do it without cheating.
I'm expecting Harris to win. Trump is doing a fine job of sabotaging his own campaign.

Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity

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dronestar
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Message 1419 of 1516 (920044)
08-26-2024 9:49 AM
Reply to: Message 1368 by K.Rose
08-23-2024 8:15 PM


Re: tRump is a rapist
krose writes:
". . . Trump is a liar, misogynist, hater, dictator . . . "
Ummm, you forgot rapist. In addition to liar, misogynist, hater, mentally-retarded sociopath, tRump is also a rapist. And deplorables are those who have a choice, yet willfully and purposefully choose and support the rapist.
To wit: for deplorables, being a rapist isn't a faulty bug, it's a HIGHLY desirable feature.
kross writes:
I didn't say Wikipedia is a bad thing . . .
Oh, good . . .
Antisocial personality disorder (sociopathy)
Antisocial personality disorder - Wikipedia

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Taq
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Message 1420 of 1516 (920045)
08-26-2024 1:18 PM
Reply to: Message 1410 by Phat
08-26-2024 1:19 AM


Re: Damn you, Phat! Answer the Question!
Phat writes:
If you think its going to make me hate him, rest assured it won't happen.
We would settle for "unfit for office". Do we really want someone affecting our economy when they don't even understand the basics of how tariffs work?

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Message 1421 of 1516 (920046)
08-26-2024 7:55 PM


The Christian Cult or Ignorance is very large and ubiqitous.
Phat is simply the product of the Christian Cult of Ignorance.

  
DrJones*
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Message 1422 of 1516 (920047)
08-26-2024 8:03 PM
Reply to: Message 1411 by Phat
08-26-2024 1:26 AM


Re: Momentum
. I prefer businessmen to run this country rather than *feeling-oriented* politicians
the problem with having a businessman run the government is that a government is not a business. The purpose of a business is to generate profit, the purpose of government is to serve it's citizens. Donald Trump has no interest in serving, I'm sure the thought has never crossed his mind.

It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds
soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry
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Percy
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Message 1423 of 1516 (920048)
08-27-2024 9:12 AM
Reply to: Message 1405 by Phat
08-25-2024 8:50 PM


Re: Trump The Villain and Foe of Democracy as *some* of us see it
I feel like the tariff issue got lost because the Investors Business Daily article you quoted from is so incomplete and misleading. Let's try again:
Phat writes in Message 1405:
From Investors Business Daily: What Is A Tariff; Who Pays Tariffs, And What Are Their Impacts?
quote:
U.S. importers pay the bill for tariffs on goods imported into the U.S., but the question of who ultimately pays the tariff cost is more complicated(...) If end consumer prices and import prices were little changed, that means American importers have borne almost all of the cost of the tariffs. However, those importers may have sought to shift some imports to other countries that weren't subject to tariffs. (...)While trade barriers can help industries receive protection, their customers can suffer. (...)A December 2019 study by Federal Reserve researchers concluded that Trump's 2018 tariffs were a net negative for factory jobs: "For manufacturing employment, a small boost from the import protection effect of tariffs is more than offset by larger drags from the effects of rising input costs and retaliatory tariffs."
I followed the link and read the whole article. It was either written by a child (i.e., someone just out of school), or by someone in a tremendous hurry, or by someone determined to obfuscate and minimize the actual effects of tariffs.
It is American importers who actually pay the tariff to the American government, but they have to somehow recover or compensate for those additional costs. Most commonly importers simply pass the additional cost of the tariff on to the consumer.
But it isn't that simple, something the Investors Business Daily attempted to make clear but failed. There are feedback effects, too. For example, because importers usually pass the tariff costs on to consumers, tariffs often reduce demand for a product, and reduced demand causes the exporter to drop the price of the product, easing the impact of the tariff on the importer. This means that a 25% tariff in goods won't necessarily result in a 25% increase in prices to consumers.
But that's not what a government wants to happen when they impose a tariff. There are a variety of reasons for imposing tariffs, but by far the most common one is to protect domestic industries. Imposing a 25% tariff on a $100 item causes it to cost $125 and making it less competitive with domestic products, so the exporter might drop the price to $80, and a 25% tariff on an $80 item causes it to cost $100, which is what it was originally. This often starts a trade war where the government raises the tariff again causing the exporter to lower the price again.
But the feedback and side effects are just complicating factors. American importers usually just pass on the costs of tariffs to consumers. It is American consumers who pay the cost of American tariffs, not foreign countries like China.
This means that Trump is lying when he says that China is paying for the tariffs. And he's lying when he says the 2020 election was stolen. And he's lying when he says Harris was hiding the fact that she was black. The lying just goes on and on. And you want to vote for this man?
--Percy

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Theodoric
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Message 1424 of 1516 (920049)
08-27-2024 10:27 AM
Reply to: Message 1423 by Percy
08-27-2024 9:12 AM


Re: Trump The Villain and Foe of Democracy as *some* of us see it
And you want to vote for this man?
Reason, logic and evidence mean nothing to followers of a cult. Given a choice between Jesus of the bible and the convicted felon, people like Phat will alter Jesus to fit into the Trump cult. This is proven out by the fact it has happened already. Looking at Phat's religious beliefs over the last 20 years we can see that he has embraced the anti-Christianity, anti-spirituality and dehumanization of Trumpism

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up, why would you have to lie?


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Phat
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Message 1425 of 1516 (920050)
08-27-2024 11:53 AM
Reply to: Message 1423 by Percy
08-27-2024 9:12 AM


Re: Trump The Villain and Foe of Democracy as *some* of us see it
She lacks experience in foreign policy and Democrats in general do not understand economics
Plus she is pro Palestinian and anti Israel

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Tangle
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Message 1426 of 1516 (920051)
08-27-2024 12:24 PM
Reply to: Message 1425 by Phat
08-27-2024 11:53 AM


Re: Trump The Villain and Foe of Democracy as *some* of us see it
Phat writes:
She lacks experience in foreign policy and Democrats in general do not understand economics

Plus she is pro Palestinian and anti Israel
Even if all that is totally true - of course it isn't - you should embrace her in both arms. Is that the worst you can come up with?
Trump, the bankrupt, rapist, convicted criminal, serial adulterer, humourless narcissistic liar - not to mention the little episode with the Capitol - he's the kind of guy that you as a "Christian" should support instead?

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"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
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