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jar
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Message 1007 of 1053 (918945)
06-10-2024 9:31 AM


some facts related to President Biden:
Yes, Biden is a far from ideal candidate but frankly he is the least objectionable of all the candidates currently running.
The facts are as for Biden, the reality is the man is not a boor, not a failure with a record of 7 bankruptcies so far, not a man convicted of fraud, not the head of Trump.org which was convicted of 17 felonies, not a man convicted of sexual abuse and defamation and not a man currently indicted in numerous other cases.

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Message 1008 of 1053 (918946)
06-10-2024 10:00 AM
Reply to: Message 1007 by jar
06-10-2024 9:31 AM


Re: some facts related to President Biden:
So you see Biden's leadership brought us a platform that is essentially:
"Trump's penis"
"Trump needs to be hunted down for this"
(and last but not least) "Trump's penis"
Great issue platform. And, remember, Biden left us with a country where 62% agree in principle with deportation of all undocumented immigrants. (35% of Democrats and 90% of Republicans)
I will never forget Trump's tweet where he said he wants to have a "compromise" on immigration where he would be willing to grant amnesty for all 11 million undocumented immigrants. He complained that all Democrats want to do is protect the 1.4 million dreamers (DACA). Trump called it pathetic. He said he never attempted to deport all immigrants, but "be careful Nancy".
Trump was part of the "anti immigration" side, but Democrats are clearly poisonous "pro immigration" fakers.
A party of complete frauds.
Biden thinks he made a "smart" self-serving political calculation, when he sold immigrants out, by shutting down the border. Actually, he only set up a "debate" where most Democrats (following their dear party leader) support the most draconian anti-immigration policies - just in time for the election.
A strong majority of Democrats support his landmark border shutdown against asylum speakers, and all prospective border-crossing immigrants.
Just in time for the election.
Thanks for the set-up, Biden. Asshole

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jar
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Message 1009 of 1053 (918947)
06-10-2024 10:04 AM
Reply to: Message 1008 by LamarkNewAge
06-10-2024 10:00 AM


Re: some facts related to President Biden:
Again, what in your post relates to anything in the post to which you are responding?
Is it true that as for Biden, the reality is the man is not a boor, not a failure with a record of 7 bankruptcies so far, not a man convicted of fraud, not the head of Trump.org which was convicted of 17 felonies, not a man convicted of sexual abuse and defamation and not a man currently indicted in numerous other cases?
Is it true that as for Trump, the reality is the man is a boor, a failure with a record of 7 bankruptcies so far, a man convicted of fraud, the head of Trump.org which was convicted of 17 felonies, a man convicted of sexual abuse and defamation and a man currently indicted in numerous other cases?

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Message 1010 of 1053 (918948)
06-10-2024 10:15 AM
Reply to: Message 1006 by Percy
06-10-2024 9:29 AM


Stay up to date Percy - detention centers are obsolete.
Biden is turning around all immigrants at the border
And Democrats are in agreement, following their dear leader.
Biden has been an awful President (Though, aside from the costly Ukraine/Russia policy, he has not been much of a warmonger, admitted), and it is pretty much across the board.
Biden never presents any actual arguments, that present immigrants in a positive light.
You really don't give a shit that the "pro immigration" party is made up of self-identified members of which one-third support deportation of all undocumented immigrants. Because you want to ignore the fact that it was Biden's leadership and rhetoric that brought us to this point.

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Message 1011 of 1053 (918949)
06-10-2024 10:25 AM
Reply to: Message 1009 by jar
06-10-2024 10:04 AM


Re: some facts related to President Biden:
Biden has spent alot of money, like politicians often do.
Not good results.
Very poor management of finances.
And his disastrous tarrif policy is another matter that you prefer to ignore. The environment has been doomed due to his tarrifs. 100% on Chinese electric vehicles.
Now, the cheapest electric vehicles -for the carbon fired American people - are still over $30,000.
China gave up the option for a $10,000 vehicles, and a good leader would have used national financial options to purchase tens of millions of these, them offer a financial payment-plan offer for Americans (poor included) to own a vehicle with a $100 a month payment plan for 10 years.
Biden does not even consider any good idea, because he sucks.

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jar
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Message 1012 of 1053 (918950)
06-10-2024 10:36 AM
Reply to: Message 1011 by LamarkNewAge
06-10-2024 10:25 AM


Re: some facts related to President Biden:
Again, what does anything in your post have to do with anything in the post to which you are responding?
And while the post to which you are responding concerns irrefutable facts, your post is all just suppositions and allegations.
Can you simply respond to posts rather than trying yet another screed?
The facts are As for Trump, the reality is the man is a boor, a failure with a record of 7 bankruptcies so far, a man convicted of fraud, the head of Trump.org which was convicted of 17 felonies, a man convicted of sexual abuse and defamation and a man currently indicted in numerous other cases.
AbE: also, some basics. You do understand that under the current Constitution, the Executive branch proposes while the Legislative branch disposes. The President can suggest spending money on a project but Congress is who actually decides what money can be spent.
Fact: Biden in NOT Congress.

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Message 1013 of 1053 (918951)
06-10-2024 10:52 AM
Reply to: Message 1010 by LamarkNewAge
06-10-2024 10:15 AM


Re: Stay up to date Percy - detention centers are obsolete.
Trump turned around all immigrants at the border
And Republicans were in agreement, following their dear leader.
Trump was an awful President (Though, aside from his "friends to dictators" policy, he was not much of a warmonger, admitted), and it is pretty much across the board.
Trump never presents any actual arguments, that present immigrants in a positive light.
You really don't give a shit that Trumps "anti immigration" party is made up of self-identified members of which 80% support deportation of all undocumented immigrants. Because you want to ignore the fact that it was Trump's rhetoric that brought us to this point.
--Percy

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Message 1014 of 1053 (918952)
06-10-2024 10:58 AM
Reply to: Message 1012 by jar
06-10-2024 10:36 AM


Re: some facts related to President Biden:
Is that you Stormy?
Judge Mercon made us all have to listen to Stormy describe Trump's penis size, and condom issues.
It might be part of the appeal - prejudicing a jury.
( I am saying the public is tired of the prejudicial and tiresome crap)
(Only 49% told CBS/YouGov that Trump was more of a criminal than a victim, in the New York trial, so get a hint)
(editing - it was the slightly earlier Yahoo/YouGov, poll, which discussed the trial. The CBS/YiuGov poll had all the great issue questions)
Biden sucks, and only 16% of Americans say their finances will improve with Biden winning, while 42% say Trump.
Democrats (self identified) were 33% of those polled.
Do the math, jar. Even Democrats essentially admit Biden sucks, financially, and it is "on topic" when reality is the topic.

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Message 1015 of 1053 (918953)
06-10-2024 11:00 AM
Reply to: Message 1013 by Percy
06-10-2024 10:52 AM


Re: Stay up to date Percy - detention centers are obsolete.
Trump did not do so, until the TEMPORARY Covid-19 emergency, of 2020.
So, you are wrong to say that Trump had turning immigrants around at the border as a GENERAL permanent policy.

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Percy
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Message 1016 of 1053 (918954)
06-10-2024 11:37 AM
Reply to: Message 1015 by LamarkNewAge
06-10-2024 11:00 AM


Re: Stay up to date Percy - detention centers are obsolete.
LamarkNewAge writes in Message 1015:
Trump did not do so, until the TEMPORARY Covid-19 emergency, of 2020.
That would be false. Trump's "Remain in Mexico" policy was begun in January of 2019, more than a year before covid. The even more restrictive covid-driven part of Trump's immigration policy didn't begin until more than a year later in April of 2020.
When Biden took office in early 2021 he tried to end Trump's covid-driven immigration policy by executive order but was overruled in the conservative-dominated Supreme Court. They found that Biden could not end the policy until the covid emergency ended, which didn't happen until May of 2023, at which point Biden ended the policy.
You have an amazing consistency for getting your facts wrong.
--Percy

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Message 1017 of 1053 (918955)
06-10-2024 11:47 AM
Reply to: Message 1016 by Percy
06-10-2024 11:37 AM


Re: Stay up to date Percy - detention centers are obsolete.
You have an amazing consistency for getting your facts wrong.
Nope, he's an outright liar for trump, but that's ok because he's mentally ill. His raving still isn't as unhinged a trump's ravings, but close.
ABE:
And they are not facts, if they are wrong!

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Message 1018 of 1053 (918956)
06-10-2024 12:01 PM
Reply to: Message 1014 by LamarkNewAge
06-10-2024 10:58 AM


Re: some facts related to President Biden:
I'm going to ignore your poll numbers because you provide no links to verify them. Last time I checked poll numbers you provided it was found that you had provided misleading information.
But we do know that many Americans believe they are worse off now than before Biden was president. It is unfortunate that what people believe counts more in elections than what is true, unfortunate because, as today's The Atlantic reports, The U.S. Economy Reaches Superstar Status.
First, we're outperforming other western economies, which also indicates how much foreign-born workers (i.e., immigrants) are contributing:
Second, wages are up more in the United States than anywhere else:
The article surmises that prices resulting from inflation might be responsible for the pessimism.
--Percy

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Message 1019 of 1053 (918957)
06-10-2024 12:18 PM
Reply to: Message 1018 by Percy
06-10-2024 12:01 PM


Re: some facts related to President Biden:
You ignored my numbers on Democrats denying the Holocaust, and instead looked at liberals poll numbers and Biden supporters.
You ignored the undecided answers also.
You also ignored the age groups percentages.
You in no way, shape, or form proved that what I saud was immaculate. (Spell check made in accurate into immaculate lol)
(10% of Democrats call the Holocaust a "myth" and 19% are not sure.)
(You responded - in a different thread - to different groups. For example, I showed that it was "moderates" that were tge biggest Holocaust denial group, but your response acted like I said something about liberals, when I uttered not a peep)
I will turn my laptop on, and quote the recent CBS/YouGov poll, but you threaten to ban my posts, when I quote too much)

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Message 1020 of 1053 (918958)
06-10-2024 12:44 PM


Immigration
Republicans and Trump are worse on immigration and LNA knows it. That’s why he doesn’t want anyone talking about Trump or his fellow MAGAts
The Biden administration is using the parole system - over Republican objections. BBC
As many as 30,000 migrants a month are able to fly to the US legally on parole under the programme for Cubans, Venezuelans, Nicaraguans, and Haitians, sparking a lawsuit from some Republican-led states who say it is illegal.
The same article points out that Biden has tried to limit deportations - while Trump threatens to use the National Guard for the “largest deportation in history”.
Also, Biden has banned separating families at the border while Trump promises to reinstate the policy
Pew Research reveals the divide in attitudes.
83% of Biden supporters favour offering illegal immigrants a path to staying in the US - as opposed to 31% of Trump supporters.
Only 11% of Biden supporters want a national campaign to deport illegal immigrants - but a full 63% of Trump supporters want it.
Trump is playing the anti-immigration card. Nobody who is pro-immigration could prefer him on that issue. Which is how we know that LNA is anti-immigration despite his pretences.

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Message 1021 of 1053 (918959)
06-10-2024 12:52 PM
Reply to: Message 1018 by Percy
06-10-2024 12:01 PM


Re: some facts related to President Biden:
The Economist/You Gov Dec 2023 poll was the poll that asked about the Holocaust.
I took notice that only 71% of Democrats said I DO NOT AGREE with the statement that THE HOLOCAUST IS A MYTH
I also made note of the fact that only around 63% of moderates said I DO NOT AGREE
Percy responded by ignoring the I AGREE answers and the I DO NOT KNOW answers
He then completely failed to look at DEMOCRATS and MODERATES.
HE COMPARED THE I AGREE ANSWERS BETWEEN:
Liberals verses conservatives
Trump supporters vs. Biden supporters
Now, he says I was the misleading one, due to his response on the Economist/YouGov poll . (I only - presently - said that only 16% of voters in the most recent poll - CBC/YouGov - though Biden would be better than Trump on personal finances)
Question:
Why is your "inflation" excuse somehow or off that voters are stupid?
Cars and especially houses are very expensive.
How are voters stupid and ignorant to not be able to correctly consider Biden part of the problem?
I'm just curious.

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