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Message 992 of 1056 (918912)
06-08-2024 9:05 AM
Reply to: Message 991 by LamarkNewAge
06-08-2024 8:03 AM


Re: The Hunter Biden Trial
LamarkNewAge writes in Message 991:
The best studies will say crack only indirectly hurts memory, it does seem to be connected to other issues, in a complex web.
What does "indirectly hurts memory" mean? Please provide references to these best studies.
LOADED GUN LEGALITY

Not quite like you make it sound. I would like to see you walk around with a loaded pistol, somebody just hands you. Try it.

There is a paperwork process, with background checks, for one thing. And background checks have gotten tougher.
You're avoiding the question. Where did this arrest occur?
Where did this arrest occur?
Where did this arrest occur?
Where did this arrest occur?
Where did this arrest occur?
HUNTER BIDEN

You still sound like you were asleep during the 2020 election.
No one knows what you're on about. This thread is about the 2024 US Presidential Election. Recent discussion has been about the Hunter Biden trial. Nothing about the 2020 election has been raised, except by you, and none of it seems to tie in to this thread.
So please stop drifting off into unrelated topics. If you want to discuss the 2020 election there are threads for that, or you can open a new one.
You say Hunter Biden never denied the laptop was his?
It would behoove you to quote what you're replying to, because it might prevent you from making mistakes like this one of claiming I said something I didn't.
What I said was that I could only find a Hunter Biden interview where he says he couldn't remember what he did with it and that it might have been stolen. The stolen part is what anyone might suggest when something they own becomes missing because they have no memory of what they did with it.
I hope you remember exactly what you just said,...
You apparently can't remember what I just said right after reading it. Let me quote myself:
Percy writes in Message 985:
I don't see the point of accusing an addict of lying or of doing things he doesn't remember, but do you have a source for this, because I can't find Hunter Biden making denials with any certainty.
...because NOTHING you will hear about - during this 2024 election - will support your background details.
Could you please stop making vague false implications. You don't quote a single word I said, and even I'm not sure what "background details" you're referring to, and you probably don't know what you're referring to either.
I find your historical context to be "reversible error", and the reverse will happen and happen and happen inside each and every head that feels Hunter and Joe never denied the laptop was anything but a "Russian" plant. Biden said it was "Russian", during the 2nd/last debate with Trump in 2020.
What has this to do with the Hunter Biden trial or the 2024 election.
I suppose nobody here calls me a "Russian" agent because I am anti-war?
Well, that was from out of blue. I'm sure no one knows what you're talking about.
Hunter's arrogance is the reason why he denied the laptop was his.
Again, do you have any evidence of Hunter Biden issuing a denial that the laptop was his?
Same reason he didn't care to pick it up . His arrogance is the reason why we still have more questions than answers about everything centering around his laptop.
Independent of whether Hunter Biden is arrogant rather than just drug addled, arrogance isn't a crime.
The laptop is important because it is authenticated.
Why are you arguing a point that everyone agrees with you about. Yes, it's Hunter Biden's laptop. And it apparently contains no incriminating evidence beyond indicating that Hunter Biden may have been an addict at the time he claimed he was not an addict on a federal form.
You keep obsessing over the Hunter Gun Crime issue, but nobody sees the gun charges as anything important - except for the amazing arrogance that politicians & their families feel they should be immune from laws they impose on everyone else.
What I'm obsessing over is trying to get you to stay on topic. I introduced the Hunter Biden gun trial into the thread because it has become an issue of the 2024 US Presidential Election. If you want to rehash the 2020 election there are threads for you to do that.
Plus the amazingly high number of potential charges on non-gun crimes (the consequential issues) NOT BEING TRIED, is noteworthy.
Prosecutors have not hinted at any charges beyond those already made.
The laptop was the "Russian" disinformation propaganda four years ago.
That was just speculation immediately after the existence of the laptop was revealed, and it was four years ago. No evidence has emerged that the laptop was ever part of a Russian disinformation campaign. If you think speculations from four years ago are relevant to this thread then you'll have to make clear how.
--Percy

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Message 993 of 1056 (918914)
06-08-2024 2:33 PM


Heading back towards the 2024 Election
Today I had to go get groceries and there was one of the Trump car/truck parades. It stretched about a half mile in length and lots of 'Don't Tread on Me', Confederate Battle Flag, upside down US Flags, 'Appeal to Heaven' flag and 'Free the Jan 6th Hostages' banners.
The were also the ubiquitous TRUMP is my President banners, Stop the Steal and 'For God & Trump' signs.
Have I even mentioned that the alliance between the Christian Cult of Ignorance and the current GOP party is a threat?
But the Oligarchs, just as in the early 1930s, believe they can control whoever is elected.

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Message 994 of 1056 (918924)
06-08-2024 11:55 PM
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06-08-2024 2:33 PM


Re: Heading back towards the 2024 Election
One really out of touch post, there, jar.
I like this one:
quote:
But the Oligarchs, just as in the early 1930s, believe they can control whoever is elected.
Yes, the CIA, and the elites, just love Trump. 51 ex intelligence officials REALLY did support Trump, in that election-season letter.
The Oligarchy just loves Trump.
quote:
Today I had to go get groceries and there was one of the Trump car/truck parades. ... 'Don't Tread on Me', Confederate Battle Flag, upside down US Flags, 'Appeal to Heaven' flag ...TRUMP is my President banners, Stop the Steal and 'For God & Trump' signs.
...Cult of Ignorance and the current GOP party is a threat
You sound afraid of the Rio Grande Valley voters. So you distort the voters, and that solves what?
But, your slanderous cartoons aside, here is a poll that asks young people to rate their issues of concern:
A new poll shows trouble for Biden with young voters, especially among voters of color : NPR
The Rio Grande Valley voters are very interested in researching the issue positions of each and very candidate they vote for. They are not coming at the election from a position of ignorance, in fact - very far from it...
Elon Musk lives on Hidalgo county. Or Brownsville? In another county?
quote:
Within the context of American politics, Musk has said he supported Barack Obama in 2008[1] and 2012, Hillary Clinton in 2016, and Joe Biden in 2020.[2][3] In 2022, Musk said he would start voting for Republican Party candidates,[4][5][6][7] with him showing support for Vivek Ramaswamy in the 2024 Republican presidential primaries.[
....
In 2014, Musk described himself politically as "half Democrat, half Republican" and "I'm somewhere in the middle, socially liberal and fiscally conservative."[88] In 2018, he stated that he was "not a conservative. I'm registered independent [and] politically moderate."[89] He stated in 2022 that he had "voted overwhelmingly for Democrats, historically" but intended to vote Republican in an upcoming election.[90]
Views of Elon Musk - Wikipedia
You make fun of the Rio Grande Valley voters, and specifically the religious ones. You call them ignorant.
The President of El Salvador, was interviewed by Tucker Carlson. He said he prays to God, and is not ashamed. If elites have a problem with it, then he takes comfort in the fact that he is the most popular leader in the world, with his people.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5n8R9lq8SI
The Rio Grande Valley voters are probably informed quite well, and I bet they know more about Hillary Clinton wanting to overthrow liberal Central American leaders - in right-wing coups - than you do, jar.
You keep supporting your xenophobic President Biden, jar. Let the voters make their minds up, and quit telling lies about why they don't like Biden.
As for the election, here is national poll news, and the "issues" are, of course, largely about the legal assault on Trump. (unlike the poll of under-40 voters, above)
Here is the most recent poll, and it is from the outstanding YouGov, sponsored by Yahoo
quote:
The Yahoo News survey was conducted by YouGov using a nationally representative sample of 1,854 U.S. adults interviewed online from June 3 to 6, 2024. The sample was weighted according to gender, age, race, education, 2020 election turnout and presidential vote, baseline party identification and current voter registration status. Demographic weighting targets come from the 2019 American Community Survey. Baseline party identification is the respondent’s most recent answer given prior to Nov. 1, 2022, and is weighted to the estimated distribution at that time (33% Democratic, 27% Republican). Respondents were selected from YouGov’s opt-in panel to be representative of all U.S. adults. The margin of error is approximately 2.8%
Trump is doing pretty good considering all the accusations that he is Joseph Stalin and Benedict Arnold combined.
quote:
New Yahoo News/YouGov poll: After Trump felony conviction, Biden leads for 1st time in months — but not by much
Slightly more Americans think Donald Trump should get a prison sentence (43%) than think he should not (40%).
Andrew Romano
Andrew Romano·National Correspondent
Fri, June 7, 2024 at 2:34 PM CDT
In the wake of former President Donald Trump’s felony conviction last week for falsifying business records to hide a hush money payment to a porn star, President Biden (46%) now leads his Republican rival (44%) in a two-way race for the White House for the first time since October 2023, according to a new Yahoo News/YouGov poll.
The past six Yahoo News/YouGov surveys showed Trump leading or tied with Biden among registered voters in a head-to-head matchup. At 46%, Biden’s current level of support is his highest since August 2023.
Yet even with Trump’s felony conviction factored in, the 2024 contest remains so close that Biden’s narrow lead vanishes once voters are given third-party options on a follow-up question.
In that scenario, Trump loses just 1 point of support, slipping to 43%; Biden (42%) sheds 4 points and falls behind.
Meanwhile, 9% of voters opt for “another candidate” — and then, when presented with specific names to choose from, they primarily select independent Robert F. Kennedy Jr. (4%) followed by independent Cornel West, Libertarian Chase Oliver and Green Party nominee Jill Stein at 1% apiece.
Most Americans say jury reached ‘right verdict’ but haven’t changed their views of Trump
The survey of 1,854 U.S. adults, which was conducted from June 3 to 6, highlights the fine margins that will likely decide this year’s Trump-Biden rematch.
The problem for Biden is not that Americans believe Trump is innocent. In fact, far more of them — a 51% majority — think the New York jury reached the “right verdict” in Trump’s hush money case than think the verdict was “wrong” (30%). Likewise, more Americans than ever (54%) now believe Trump committed the crime for which he was on trial.
Overall, 52% say Trump’s conviction was a “fair outcome meant to hold him accountable for his own actions”; just 35% who say it was “an unfair outcome meant to damage him politically.” And 49% think Trump was “more of a criminal” in the trial, versus 34% who consider him “more of a victim.”
But Trump’s conviction hasn’t really changed how Americans see him. For instance:
● 42% of Americans now rate Trump favorably, and 53% rate him unfavorably — slightly better than his 41%-55% rating last month, before the conviction.
● 40% of Americans now consider Trump “fit to serve another term as president,” and 47% do not — essentially identical to his 41%-46% split in May.
● And 44% of Americans now say the criminal charges against Trump are a “big problem” when it comes to his fitness to be president — unchanged from his number in April, the last time the question was asked.
In other words, public opinion of Trump is so baked in at this point that not even his new status as America’s first “felon president” can alter it. And this dynamic is especially true among those least inclined to accept unflattering information about the former president: his supporters.
Trump supporters no longer consider hush money payments to be ‘serious crime’
On previous Yahoo News/YouGov surveys, a small subset of Trump supporters expressed uncertainty about how they might view a potential conviction in the hush money case — and indicated possible second thoughts about voting for Trump in that scenario.
In April, for example, 17% of Trump supporters said he should not be allowed to serve as president again “if convicted of a serious crime in the coming months.” And in May, 14% indicated they would shift away from supporting Trump if he were to be “convicted of a crime in the hush money case” (with 10% unsure who they would support, 4% saying they would not vote at all and 1% flipping to Biden).
As a result, Biden led Trump by 7 points in the May poll — 46% to 39% — when voters were asked which candidate they would back in the hypothetical case of a Trump conviction.
Obviously, the vast majority of Trump’s previously squeamish supporters have decided to stick with him now that his conviction is a reality.
But why, and how? By changing their view of the crime itself. In six surveys conducted by Yahoo News and YouGov between June 2023 and April 2024, at least a quarter of Republicans (between 25% and 29%) said they considered “falsifying business records to conceal a hush money payment to a porn star” to be a “serious crime.”
But last month, that number dropped to 18%. Now, post-conviction, it is just 9%.
In contrast, the corresponding “serious crime” number among Democrats is 79% — essentially unchanged over the past year.
Similarly, 81% of current Trump supporters think the jury reached the wrong verdict last week; 83% say Trump was more of a victim than a criminal in the trial; and 87% believe the outcome was unfair and meant to damage him politically.
Given that, just 2% of Trump supporters now say he should not be allowed to serve as president after being convicted of “34 felony counts of falsifying business records.” Again, the number of Trump supporters who said the same in May — assuming a conviction for a “serious crime” — was 17%.
Still, the new Yahoo News/YouGov poll does show a small shift in Biden’s direction — a result consistent with other post-conviction surveys.
The shift is so modest that it’s well within the poll’s 2.8% margin of error. And it disappears entirely when swing voters can choose third-party candidates instead of the incumbent.
Yet at the very least, Biden’s improvement on a two-way ballot suggests that being found guilty of 34 felony counts is not good news for Trump.
The next beat in the former president’s legal saga is his sentencing, which is currently scheduled for July 11. Slightly more Americans think Trump should get a prison sentence (43%) than think he should not (40%).
After that, Trump faces three additional criminal trials, all of which have been delayed indefinitely. Yet a full 64% of Americans now say it is important “that voters get a verdict in Trump’s trials before the 2024 general election” — versus just 25% who say it is not important.
Trump’s conviction in the hush money case may have even made some otherwise skeptical Democrats and independents more inclined to believe that Trump is guilty of other crimes. The number of Americans who now think Trump “conspired to overturn the results of a presidential election,” for instance, has grown from 45% to 50% since January (which includes a 79% to 88% uptick among Democrats, plus a 45% to 50% uptick among independents). And belief that Trump is guilty of "taking highly classified documents from the White House and obstructing efforts to retrieve them” has increased from 48% to 52% over the same period (with similar gains among Democrats and independents).
Whether these changes carry any political consequences for the former president remains to be seen. Legal experts think it’s unlikely that any of Trump’s other trials will conclude before Election Day. Yet if they did, and if Trump were “convicted of ANOTHER serious crime in the coming months,” voters again say they would favor Biden by a 46% to 40% margin.
New Yahoo News/YouGov poll: After Trump felony conviction, Biden leads for 1st time in months — but not by much
The ironic thing, is that Trump has higher favorables & lower negatives than Biden, in the poll.
The more ironic thing, is that these Democratic witch hunts probably hurt Biden, if one considers the broad big picture, as opposed to polls that cover short-term trends as the frame of reference. The broad perspective is long lost on the elites, and it is a hypothesis, but I suspect Democrats have slaughtered their brand by their shenanigans, as liberal legal-expert Mark Geragos, terms it.
(Biden & the Democrats brought down immigrants with their pathetic political fortunes. That is the sad part is that Democrats poisoned the well for just about every group they touched - and Democrats not only touched the immigration issue, but they pretty-much raped the immigrants, they claimed to be supporters of. Democrats were not a fresh well for the pro-immigration voters, they were a poison much worse than anthrax. Lethal political posturing has upended the immigration status quo, and it is detrimental to immigrants and the psyche of our new national policy picture)
Democrats smile when their favorite lie gain support:
"The number of Americans who now think Trump “conspired to overturn the results of a presidential election,” for instance, has grown from 45% to 50% since January (which includes a 79% to 88% uptick among Democrats, plus a 45% to 50% uptick among independents)."
Their "Russian agent" crap is their next favorite lie.
Plan on hearing alot more Democratic conspiracy theories, in the coming months.

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06-09-2024 6:25 AM
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Moderator Warning.
I'm not moderating this thread at present, but I couldn't help but notice that your quoted text is far longer than your own text. The long quoted portion was 1294 words, while the rest of your post was only 590 of your own words. I recall warning you about this many times, and I will remind you of the Forum Guidelines once again:
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Message 996 of 1056 (918928)
06-09-2024 8:48 AM
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06-08-2024 11:55 PM


Re: Heading back towards the 2024 Election
It's pretty clear that you don't know the basics including things like definitions such as what an oligarch is.
And please remember, I am a Rio Grande Valley voter.
Other then those two points what does anything in your screed have to do with my post?
As for Trump, the reality is the man is a boor, a failure with a record of 7 bankruptcies so far, a man convicted of fraud, the head of Trump.org which was convicted of 17 felonies, a man convicted of sexual abuse and defamation and a man currently indicted in numerous other cases.
Those are what are called facts; indisputable facts.
The question is "Given the indisputable facts regarding Donald Trump how can there be any support for the man unless the supporter is immune to cognitive dissonance?"

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Message 997 of 1056 (918929)
06-09-2024 10:33 AM
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06-09-2024 8:48 AM


Re: Heading back towards the 2024 Election
jar writes in Message 996:
As for Trump, the reality is the man is a boor, a failure with a record of 7 bankruptcies so far, a man convicted of fraud, the head of Trump.org which was convicted of 17 felonies, a man convicted of sexual abuse and defamation and a man currently indicted in numerous other cases.

Those are what are called facts; indisputable facts.

The question is "Given the indisputable facts regarding Donald Trump how can there be any support for the man unless the supporter is immune to cognitive dissonance?"
I would have concluded the last sentence differently: "...unless the supporter is a goober." If you ask voters if there is anything they could learn about their candidate that would cause them to change their vote, the vast majority of Biden supporters would say, "Of course," while the vast majority of Trump supporters would say, "No way."
--Percy

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Message 998 of 1056 (918931)
06-09-2024 12:17 PM
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Re: Heading back towards the 2024 Election
How could anyone choose to support Biden when he was VP when the 54 member "United States of Africa" was bombed, by NATO, and its chairman/President killed.
On September 9th, 1999 the idea for a "United States of Africa" was born.
54 nations joined, and pledged to work toward VISA-free travel, between the African Union.
The same town in which the "United States of Africa" was called for, saw - 12 years later (2011) - the President/Chairman get murdered by a bunch if NATO supported thugs. The same man who called for the United States of Africa.
People supported Biden (I sadly did), hoping he would be more peaceful than past regimes he was associated with, plus many felt he was better than Trump on some important issues.
I am sick and tired of hearing about b.s. about Trump.
Biden is the issue.
The American people are sick of the witch hunts, and tire of the endless crap.
Biden is the issue. Deal with it.

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Re: Moderator Warning.
Quoting myself from the previous message:
Admin writes in Message 995:
If I see yet another significant violation of this guideline, or any other, I will recuse myself for the necessary two days and then begin moderating this thread. Last time I was forced into moderating a thread in which you were participating I was compelled to impose a post limit of I think one per day. If I have to do it again it will be one per week.
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Message 1000 of 1056 (918933)
06-09-2024 2:30 PM
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06-09-2024 12:17 PM


Re: Heading back towards the 2024 Election
Again, what does anything in your post have to do with my post or reality.
Facts actually count and the Vice-President has absolutely no power to order or direct any bombing anywhere. Your assertions in that post have no more connection to reality than all the other absolute absurdities you post.
The facts are As for Trump, the reality is the man is a boor, a failure with a record of 7 bankruptcies so far, a man convicted of fraud, the head of Trump.org which was convicted of 17 felonies, a man convicted of sexual abuse and defamation and a man currently indicted in numerous other cases.

Those are what are called facts; indisputable facts.

The question is "Given the indisputable facts regarding Donald Trump how can there be any support for the man unless the supporter is immune to cognitive dissonance?"
Trumps record is fact. What you posted is simply an unsupported assertion that is refuted by the actual fact that an American Vice-President has absolutely no power to order or direct any bombing anywhere,
Trump is a a boor, a failure with a record of 7 bankruptcies so far, a man convicted of fraud, the head of Trump.org which was convicted of 17 felonies, a man convicted of sexual abuse and defamation and a man currently indicted in numerous other cases.
All of those facts ARE thing committed or controlled by Donald Trump.

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Message 1001 of 1056 (918934)
06-09-2024 2:42 PM
Reply to: Message 998 by LamarkNewAge
06-09-2024 12:17 PM


Re: Heading back towards the 2024 Election
You're becoming increasingly weird again, and once again no one knows what you're on about. But I've looked into it and will explain.
LamarkNewAge writes in Message 998:
How could anyone choose to support Biden when he was VP when the 54 member "United States of Africa" was bombed, by NATO, and its chairman/President killed.
The United State of Africa is a concept, not a political entity:
Wikipedia on the United States of Africa:
The United States of Africa is a hypothetical plan for a federation of some or all of the 55 sovereign states on the continent of Africa. The concept takes its origin from Marcus Garvey's 1924 poem "Hail, United States of Africa".
You next say:
On September 9th, 1999 the idea for a "United States of Africa" was born.
This is incorrect. It was the creation of the African Union that was announced on that date in Sirte, Libya.
The same town in which the "United States of Africa" was called for, saw - 12 years later (2011) - the President/Chairman get murdered by a bunch if NATO supported thugs. The same man who called for the United States of Africa.
You mean Muammar Gaddafi.
Gaddafi was never President/Chairman of the United States of Africa, which was then and now still just a concept. It has never had a President/Chairperson.
You're again confusing the non-existent United States of Africa with the African Union, whose chairperson role has a one year term that rotates among the continent's five regions. Gaddafi was chairperson the year before his death.
In 2011 NATO intervened in Libya's civil war to protect civilians, who were exposed to significant danger at the hands of Gaddafi loyalists. NATO also tried to bring about a ceasefire by enforcing a no-fly zone and imposing a naval blockade. There were no NATO ground forces.
The Gaddafi regime fell and Gaddafi took refuge in Sirte. As Sirte fell Gaddafi fled in a convoy that was fired on by NATO forces that didn't know Gaddafi was in the convoy, but NATO felt the war was over and that surviving Gaddafi forces could continue to exact a toll on civilians.
The convoy was intercepted by rebel forces before it left Sirte. Gaddafi was captured and murdered.
People supported Biden (I sadly did), hoping he would be more peaceful than past regimes he was associated with, plus many felt he was better than Trump on some important issues.
According to Joe Biden - Wikipedia, Biden "opposed direct U.S. intervention in Libya." He felt NATO should carry out the action on its own.
You're trying to blame Joe Biden for aggression against Africa and for the death of some unnamed African leader when it was nothing like that. You referring to something that Biden had no involvement in, the death of Muammar Gaddafi at the hands of rebels during the Libyan civil war where NATO attempted to impose a ceasefire and protect civilians.
You have an irritating habit of posting messages full of inaccuracies, errors, false implications and outright falsehoods.
--Percy

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Message 1002 of 1056 (918939)
06-09-2024 7:26 PM
Reply to: Message 1001 by Percy
06-09-2024 2:42 PM


Re: LamarkNewAge
Percy writes:
You have an irritating habit of posting messages full of inaccuracies, errors, false implications and outright falsehoods.
Here - I can save you the trouble:
he's a Trump Turd Eating ASSHOLE.

"I'm the Grim Reaper now, Mitch. Step aside."
Death to #TzarVladimirtheCondemned!
Enjoy every sandwich!

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LamarkNewAge
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Message 1003 of 1056 (918941)
06-10-2024 7:49 AM
Reply to: Message 1001 by Percy
06-09-2024 2:42 PM


Re: Heading back towards the 2024 Election
Go to the African Union website
Aspiration 2 of agenda 2063 has VISA FREE TRAVEL called for, and it is based on the ideals of Pan Africanism. ("ideals" of "Pan Africanism", in text)
A common African Passport is very much part of the African Union.
An it is being implemented.
The "United States of Africa" was part of the September 9th, 1999 speech. It is literally the vision that brought us the current African Union.
Gaddafi gave up on a pan Arab state in 1998, and decided to see if he could work toward a pan African state. See Washington Post 1998.
You are creating a difference without a distinction.
As for Biden, Maureen Dowd, of the New York Times, described Hillary Clinton, Susan Rice, and Susan Power as the "three Valkyries", for their support for NATO intervention. Obama was derided, by the Valkyries as feckless for not going all in on NATO bombing.
Biden won, in 2020, with many voter reservations.
Biden has been an arrogant jerk, and I am sorry you hate it when people tell the truth.
(Even these polls that have him dead even with Trump STILL show Trump getting 18 percent of the black vote, so don't assume that he owns any voters) (See CBS You Gov poll from yesterday)
Biden is a jerk. About 35 percent of Democrats support total deportation of immigrants, in the poll . Over 60 percent of Democrats support his turning immigrants around at the border, per the poll. 70 percent of all Americans support his landmark anti-immigration policy.
Because Biden is a fucking jerk, who never supported immigrants to start with. His bully pulpit is full of NON DEFENSES of the value of immigrants, and straight out arrogant division proceeding from his disgraceful lips - every time he speaks.
Immigrants are the losers. The Pro immigration side voted for a complete total turd. And the proof is in the results.

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LamarkNewAge
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Message 1004 of 1056 (918942)
06-10-2024 7:58 AM
Reply to: Message 1002 by xongsmith
06-09-2024 7:26 PM


Re: LamarkNewAge
CBS just showed us that Biden's leadership brought us a country where 62% support total deportation and 70% supported Biden turning immigrants around at the border.
Biden turned the country against immigrants.
Biden is the Trump turd eating asshole.
But worry about the immigrants. They just got fucked.
This never could have happened if we had a President like Ronald Reagan.
Joe Biden sucks.
Get over your obsession with Trump.
Biden is awful!

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Percy
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Message 1005 of 1056 (918943)
06-10-2024 9:12 AM
Reply to: Message 1003 by LamarkNewAge
06-10-2024 7:49 AM


Re: Heading back towards the 2024 Election
Yes, we understand. You didn't originally name Gaddafi because you were hiding the fact that the NATO action you mentioned was against the Gaddafi regime that was victimizing its own citizens. You wanted us to think that Biden supported NATO action that resulted in the death of some innocent African leader. Your dishonesty is as deep as the day is long (interestingly enough we're approaching the summer solstice).
As for Biden, Maureen Dowd, of the New York Times, described Hillary Clinton, Susan Rice, and Susan Power as the "three Valkyries", for their support for NATO intervention. Obama was derided, by the Valkyries as feckless for not going all in on NATO bombing.
The 2011 Maureen Dowd piece (Fight of the Valkyries) doesn't mention Biden.
You keep forgetting I'm not a Biden supporter. I'm an independent. My ideal president would be honest, be law-abiding, have integrity, oppose dictators, support democracy both around the world and within our own nation, support and make the case for increased immigration and the humane treatment of the desperate people hoping to find refuge within our borders, support our allies, support free trade, support fair taxation, support legislation (something along the lines of Glass-Steagall) that discourages brinksmanship in the financial sector so that we won't need yet another bailout. I will support whoever comes closest to supporting these ideals and has a chance of election.
Because Biden is a fucking jerk, who never supported immigrants to start with. His bully pulpit is full of NON DEFENSES of the value of immigrants, and straight out arrogant division proceeding from his disgraceful lips - every time he speaks.

Immigrants are the losers. The Pro immigration side voted for a complete total turd. And the proof is in the results.
While I don't see it as you do and certainly haven't put it in these terms, I have been strongly critical of Biden's immigration policies in this very thread.
Why don't you remind us of Trump's position on immigration? Didn't he just say at a recent rally that if elected he would create the "largest domestic deportation operation in the history of the world"?
--Percy

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Percy
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From: New Hampshire
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Message 1006 of 1056 (918944)
06-10-2024 9:29 AM
Reply to: Message 1004 by LamarkNewAge
06-10-2024 7:58 AM


Re: LamarkNewAge
You don't have to have an adversarial relationship with honesty to criticize Biden. Here's an example of your dishonesty:
LamarkNewAge writes in Message 1004:
Biden turned the country against immigrants.
Of the two, only Trump is critical of immigrants in a way that turns the country against them. He's called them "animals" and "not human", and he's said that they are "poisoning the blood of our country," echoing Hitler's words from Mein Kampf. He's said they're coming from prisons and mental institutions. He wants to build huge detention camps to hold the people caught up in his immigrant sweeps so they can be held pending deportation.
What has Biden said that has turned the country against immigrants? Surprise us by being honest and providing links that support your claims.
--Percy

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