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LamarkNewAge
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Message 977 of 1056 (918878)
06-06-2024 8:23 AM
Reply to: Message 976 by Percy
06-06-2024 7:51 AM


Re: The Hunter Biden Trial
Then change the law.
Also, there has been a massive push to collect mental health records since December 14, 2012.
44 states have laws that go after medical (mental) issues.
His dad should be talking about the issue of having to live under laws he was a big part of making the very law.
Republicans (based on what I have gathered) generally feel thus is probably a minor issue, that can't hurt Biden, and they find it ironic that he gets to be tried in his hometown, where the jury will be sympathetic. Venue is mighty important.
The only thing Republicans like is the fact that the Feds are using his laptop as evidence.
Yes, THAT laptop.
(The big 2020 "Russian disinformation" invention, is NOW recognized as authentic.

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Message 978 of 1056 (918879)
06-06-2024 8:38 AM
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06-06-2024 7:24 AM


Re: China sells FULL SIZE Electric car for $9,700! We need technocrats in government.
He just gave away the store on immigration. He did not even negotiate a tradeoff increase in yearly legal immigration increases.
He simply granted that immigrants would be turned around at the border - a policy proposal that was deemed as very extreme as recently as early 2020.
It was a grant.
The anti-immigration side has totally won.
It might be decades before there is a return to the 1965 to 2020 status quo. The status quo ante was not perfect, far from it, mind you.
The anti-trade and anti-immigration side has completely won. Biden hopes Trump really will try to deport all undocumented immigrants, in record numbers of raids and sweeps, so Democrats can argue against that as the big "We stand with immigrants" slogan. But it will just be more of the "pro-immigration" side, makings arguments that sound loft, but actual practical policy differences will be on the margins.
Ronald Reagan meant to hold ground, for immigrants, when he positioned the immigration discussion. He was a success at tamping down the rhetoric and the potentially vicious debate.
Biden, has been a divisive scumbag, and he sold immigrants out to boot. I think Biden is clearly an example of a complete total fuck job, and I tend to be moderate in my assessment of the Presidents.
Biden stinks. Badly.

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Message 979 of 1056 (918886)
06-06-2024 3:00 PM
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06-06-2024 7:51 AM


Re: The Hunter Biden Trial
quote:
He's guilty as all get out for lying on that form, but why it's a federal priority to prosecute an addict for lying when all addicts lie (it's a symptom of the disease) is beyond me.

--Percy
The offense is rarely prosecuted unless the firearm was used to further a violent crime.
Hunter Biden is being prosecuted because a Trump-appointed judge rejected a quite typical plea bargain.
Joe Biden, that doddering mastermind of evil, fed his own son into the maw of his Puppet DOJ to camo his lawfare on real Americans.
Nothing else makes sense.

"If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads."

Homo sum, humani nihil a me alienum puto.
-Terence


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LamarkNewAge
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Message 980 of 1056 (918887)
06-06-2024 5:07 PM
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06-06-2024 3:00 PM


Re: The Hunter Biden Trial
I'm not sure a Trump appointed judge, in Delaware, would be particularly "conservative".
Delaware has two Democratic Senators, and they can pink-slip judges.
I remember an interesting example in Maryland. I saw a Republican Assemblyman, in 2008, get a federal sentence for child pornography possession - 37 months. His name was Robert McGee, I think. That is a "light" federal sentence. I looked up the prosecutor details and the judge.
The judge was a guy named Quarrels (Robert or William was the first name), the prosecutors were Rod Rosenstein and Bonnie Greenberg.
All were "conservative" Bush appointees.
Bush, a few years before 2008, wanted to get Senate confirmation to make one of those attorneys (Rosenstein or Greenberg) a federal judge, and he floated the idea to the two Democratic Senators (Barbara Mikulski and Ben Cardin). The old media report
I read said both hissed at the idea, so Bush dropped the idea of attempting to appoint the individual.
So, Delaware would have "consensus" appointments, and Trump being the President who appointed the judge does not mean quite as much as it sounds.
THE CHARGES
Hunter Biden had a large amount of charges dropped in the past, the gun charge was seen as a much "lesser charge" than the full plethora of charges initially brought. So the gun charges are a big water down, for starters.
Republicans will have arguments and so will the judge, if something is controversial. Plea agreements depend on cooperation, for one thing. Perhaps Hunter Biden was not particularly willing to speak about anything he did, on the non-gum charges. Perhaps was "uncooperative".
As for gun laws, they are tough.I have personally known of people getting years in prison for selling a gun at a pawn shop, but not making sure there were no bullets in it when it was sold. The pawn shop owner called the police, when it was noticed, and the person got arrested.I knew the person well. He no longer possessed the gun, but the evidence was strong that he DID in the past. He was actually selling someone else's gun, who the pawn shop owner would not sell to, because he did not have an ID. The one arrested only possessed the "loaded" gun for about a minute. He sold it to help someone else who asked him to do it for him.
The police came to his door the next day, and he was arrested. December 2022, and still in the slammer.
Hunter can't claim that he had no idea what the law was. His dad made a lot of the gun laws everyone else has to follow.
He got caught breaking the law.
The evidence is on the laptop that 5 former CIA directors said was not his. 51 federal intelligence officials jumped in to say his laptop was "Russian disinformation".
Hunter was a spoiled brat who had the entire federal intelligence apparatus covering his privileged butt.
It turns out that the laptop was his, and the "stuff" on it counts as evidence.
The spoiled brat got caught up in the laws daddy imposes on everyone else.
Waaaaaaaaa!
(Cry baby noise)

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LamarkNewAge
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Message 981 of 1056 (918889)
06-06-2024 6:16 PM


The first dramatic (post trial) poll on the presidential race
Emerson just released a poll, today, that was conducted June 2-5
Trump 46%
Biden 45%
That is totally in line with ever other poll.
But put in Kennedy, West, Stein, etc. and the biggest gap in any post-trial poll appears
Trump 44%
Biden 38%
Kennedy 6%
Biden loses 7% when there are more choices, but Trump only drops 2%
The 6% margin is much higher than any other, poll so it could be an outlier.
But the 1% margin in the 2-way race seems normal enough.
This could be a very telling poll.

  
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Message 982 of 1056 (918893)
06-07-2024 7:16 AM


I just saw somebody claim Hunter erased the gun serial number
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m628B3ggDIQ
see 1 hour 22 minutes in, and the Hunter stuff last about 30 minutes.
The person, a full-time panel member, on the Patrick Bet David podcast, claims Hunter Biden erased the gun serial number. If he did, and there is evidence, then this is a very relevant crime to the gun control crowd, if one judges federal & state legislative actions.
I have not been following the Hunter Biden trial. I thought it was over long ago.
I like the fact that the truth is coming out about the "Russian disinformation" crap.
The TRUTH is Hunter Biden lied in 2020, about the laptop. And it has documentation that is highly relevant for criminal trials.
My former roommate & his friend (for over a year around 2020) were in an interesting gun arrest - one avoided being caught completely, one got busted. One posessed a handgun gun, he never used, but kept in a bag. He decided to sell it to a pawn shop. He lacked his ID, which he lost, along with his birth certificate and SS card. He took a gun into a shop to sell, but he was not allowe to sell it without an ID. He talked to his friend (my former rooomate, a vet who served in Lebanon in 1983) after he got off work, and his friend gave him a ride to the shop. The vet's friend gave him his gun, in the parking lot of the pawn shop, and the gun was sold for $500.
Both had no clue there were bullets in the gun. The one who owned the gun was ignorant of the laws (I talked to both, and the one who did not get arrested or even questioned was clueless about laws), and he is happy he was not ratted on by his friend (my former roomate).
The old vet (my former roommate) is still in the cage.
He was busted for possessing a loaded gun.
The gun laws are very serious.
Biden made them so.

  
Percy
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Message 983 of 1056 (918894)
06-07-2024 9:13 AM
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06-06-2024 5:07 PM


Re: The Hunter Biden Trial
LamarkNewAge writes in Message 980:
Hunter Biden had a large amount of charges dropped in the past, the gun charge was seen as a much "lesser charge" than the full plethora of charges initially brought. So the gun charges are a big water down, for starters.
If charges were dropped, what were they? Don't you actually mean that there were a number of unsubstantiated allegations for which no evidence was uncovered?
Plea agreements depend on cooperation, for one thing. Perhaps Hunter Biden was not particularly willing to speak about anything he did, on the non-gum charges. Perhaps was "uncooperative".
There was a plea agreement already in place in 2023 where Hunter Biden would plead guilty to misdemeanor charges of tax evasion and have the federal gun charge wiped from his record as long as he adhered to the terms of the agreement. When a federal judge reviewed the agreement with the defendant and his lawyers at the signing Hunter learned that, in the opinion of prosecutors, the agreement didn't cover everything, that more charges could be filed later. He refused to sign the agreement.
As for gun laws, they are tough.I have personally known of people getting years in prison for selling a gun at a pawn shop, but not making sure there were no bullets in it when it was sold. The pawn shop owner called the police, when it was noticed, and the person got arrested.I knew the person well. He no longer possessed the gun, but the evidence was strong that he DID in the past. He was actually selling someone else's gun, who the pawn shop owner would not sell to, because he did not have an ID. The one arrested only possessed the "loaded" gun for about a minute. He sold it to help someone else who asked him to do it for him.
This may be the story your friend is telling people, but it seems very unlikely. A Google search found no laws against selling loaded guns. Tell me the state and I'll look harder.
Why do you keep running on and on about the Hunter Biden laptop? There's embarrassing stuff on the laptop but no evidence of any crime.
--Percy

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Message 984 of 1056 (918895)
06-07-2024 9:44 AM
Reply to: Message 983 by Percy
06-07-2024 9:13 AM


Re: The Hunter Biden Trial
I lost my post.
The crime in my personal story is POSSESSION.
HUNTER BIDEN:
Hunter Biden said he did not ever possess/own the laptop.
(The fact that he has drug possession, in the laptop's memory, means his lies can actually constitute obstruction of justice)
Now, the federal prosecutor is using the laptop as evidence. In the trial.
Also, Hunter is in legal trouble. It is very illegal to deny records are your authentic documents, when you are under legal investigation.
I don't know much about the case, mind you.

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Message 985 of 1056 (918902)
06-07-2024 6:00 PM
Reply to: Message 984 by LamarkNewAge
06-07-2024 9:44 AM


Re: The Hunter Biden Trial
LamarkNewAge writes in Message 984:
Percy writes in Message 983:
LamarkNewAge writes in Message 980:
As for gun laws, they are tough.I have personally known of people getting years in prison for selling a gun at a pawn shop, but not making sure there were no bullets in it when it was sold. The pawn shop owner called the police, when it was noticed, and the person got arrested.I knew the person well. He no longer possessed the gun, but the evidence was strong that he DID in the past. He was actually selling someone else's gun, who the pawn shop owner would not sell to, because he did not have an ID. The one arrested only possessed the "loaded" gun for about a minute. He sold it to help someone else who asked him to do it for him.
This may be the story your friend is telling people, but it seems very unlikely. A Google search found no laws against selling loaded guns. Tell me the state and I'll look harder.
The crime in my personal story is POSSESSION.
Still can't find it. I think your friend may be feeding you a line. Tell me what state and I'll look again.
Hunter Biden said he did not ever possess/own the laptop.
I don't see the point of accusing an addict of lying or of doing things he doesn't remember, but do you have a source for this, because I can't find Hunter Biden making denials with any certainty. What I did find was an excerpt from CBS correspondent Tracy Smith interview in Hunter Biden on his memoir "Beautiful Things" and his struggles with substance abuse:
Tracy Smith interview:
"Was that your laptop?" she asked.
"For real, I don't know," Hunter replied.
"I know. But you know that, this isn't ..."
"But my point is, I really don't know. The answer is, that's the truthful answer."
"You don't know, yes or no, if the laptop was yours?"
"I don't have any idea. No idea whether or not …"
"So, could have been yours?"
"Of course, certainly," Hunter said. "There could be a laptop out there that was stolen from me. It could be that I was hacked. It could be that it was Russian intelligence. It could be that it was stolen from me."
"And you didn't drop off a laptop to be repaired, in Delaware?"
"No. Not that I remember at all. At all. So, we'll see."
Now, the federal prosecutor is using the laptop as evidence. In the trial.
They're only using information from the laptop that they claim shows that Biden was a crack addict at the time he signed the federal form, and I've already said I believe he did lie on the form, so why are you bringing up the laptop?
Also, Hunter is in legal trouble. It is very illegal to deny records are your authentic documents, when you are under legal investigation.
As we've been forced to ask you so many times before, what in the world are you on about? The only charges against Hunter Biden are the ones being argued at his trial. You seem to be making up some strange law, and even if it exists it isn't something Hunter Biden's been charged with.
I don't know much about the case, mind you.
Yes, that's very clear. Maybe you should stick to things you know.
--Percy

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Message 986 of 1056 (918904)
06-07-2024 8:42 PM


a few things to consider regarding the younger biden trial
Hunter Biden and his legal council have not questioned the validity of the judge or prosecutor or charges.
Hunter Biden does not stop before the cameras after each session to whine about how he is being treated.
Hunter Biden has not attempted to try the case in the media rather than the court.
Hunter Biden has not suggested that his followers should oppose the very fact of any trial or that physical harm should be done to the judge or prosecutors.

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Message 987 of 1056 (918905)
06-07-2024 9:08 PM
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06-07-2024 8:42 PM


Re: a few things to consider regarding the younger biden trial
Jar, it's good to see you back posting on EVC!

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Message 988 of 1056 (918906)
06-07-2024 9:12 PM
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06-07-2024 9:08 PM


Re: a few things to consider regarding the younger biden trial
Actually I found it interesting that the general consensus today is approaching the positions and how I felt when I left.
I still hope that there is a chance at least one of the nutjobs may get help.

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LamarkNewAge
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Message 989 of 1056 (918907)
06-08-2024 3:42 AM
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06-07-2024 6:00 PM


Re: The Hunter Biden Trial
I have known a lot of people who use crack. They don't have memory problems, so far as I know. They don't stay awake forever, like heroin users. They aren't dead heads, like pot users. He used crack, and nothing else, correct? Drugs are a problem because people can't afford to burn (or crack) them like cigarettes. Biden was able to smoke all he wanted to, he could afford it.
Is he really trying to say he can't remember?
As for the personal story:
Two witnesses told me they were there when he got the nock on the door, and the arrest. It was for possession of a loaded gun. The ironic thing is that his residence was not searched, though he was arrested in his living room. His room had $300 of meth laying in the open.
Speaking of bad memory:
You don't seem to remember the 2020 campaign very well, do you? You might want to Google the laptop. The Federal Special Agent Jensen (sp?) just said in the trial that NOTHING on the laptop has been found to have been tampered with - by Russia or Trump supporters.
You feel it was not big news, because your favorite media sources are not feeding you the most important & relevant story of this trial.
Try to remember the 2020 race. The HUNTER BIDEN LAPTOP was the Russian Collision response/accusation of that election. Just like the WikiLeaks caused the Steel Dossier accusations of Russian Collision in 2016.
The Biden's denied the laptop was Hunters. It was of Russian origin. Intelligence officials who signed the letter claiming the laptop was Russian, have, on occasion, admitted that Anthony Blinken was the one who brought together the agents to claim it was Russian. Biden requested Blinken's help, initially.
The Intel community, in 2020, either lied or were honestly horrible at identifying Russian disinformation craft.
Now, Russian disinformation is a common accusation.Heck, even I get accused of Russian agency. Because I am not a total complete apologist for Biden.
(Also, you made an issue of Hunter not being charged with "obstruction of justice", so I am making charges up, you say. I only said his denials -yes he denied initially - were obstruction of justice, but I never said he would be charged. There seems to be a push to drop just about everything possible for all time, so I doubt he will be charged)

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Message 990 of 1056 (918910)
06-08-2024 7:23 AM
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06-08-2024 3:42 AM


Re: The Hunter Biden Trial
LamarkNewAge writes in Message 989:
I have known a lot of people who use crack.
Maybe you hung around a lot with the wrong people.
They don't have memory problems, so far as I know.
Your anecdotal data is contradicted by real world studies, for example Attention and memory deficits in crack-cocaine users persist over four weeks of abstinence:
quote:
Present results observed that the group of patients with crack-cocaine dependence presented persistent deficits affecting memory and attention even after four weeks of abstinence, confirming previous studies that had disclosed such cognitive impairments.
As for the personal story:
Two witnesses told me they were there when he got the knock on the door, and the arrest. It was for possession of a loaded gun. The ironic thing is that his residence was not searched, though he was arrested in his living room. His room had $300 of meth laying in the open.
You are likely being fed a line. Carrying a loaded gun in public is legal in most states and in most cities. What city and state are we talking about here? You know, the place I've asked about three times now and that you still haven't answered.
Is he really trying to say he can't remember?
Yes, Hunter Biden, former drug addict, is really saying he can't remember. During a 2016 deposition about Trump University Trump said he couldn't remember 59 times. In written testimony to special counsel Robert Mueller in 2019 Trump said he couldn't remember more than 30 times.
Do you really believe that a drug addled Hunter Biden left a laptop at a repair shop in Delaware, that he remembered leaving it there, and that despite that he never picked it up for over a year?
And why are you still running on about the laptop? The only evidence from it entered at trial is emails and texts indicating that Biden may still have been using drugs at the time he signed the federal form. Nothing otherwise incriminating has been found on the laptop.
(Also, you made an issue of Hunter not being charged with "obstruction of justice", so I am making charges up, you say. I only said his denials -yes he denied initially - were obstruction of justice,...
I could find no record of the denial you said he made. Can you? All I found were those quotes I provided earlier about not remembering and maybe it was stolen.
--Percy

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Message 991 of 1056 (918911)
06-08-2024 8:03 AM
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06-08-2024 7:23 AM


Re: The Hunter Biden Trial
I knew alot of WWF (WWE) stars during the 1990s. They are in an industry where an entire match is choreographed, and memory is very important -really important. They hammer crack, or did back then.
The best studies will say crack only indirectly hurts memory, it does seem to be connected to other issues, in a complex web.
You have heard of ADHD, right?
The prescription drug for kids is modified crack, albeit without the high.
LOADED GUN LEGALITY
Not quite like you make it sound. I would like to see you walk around with a loaded pistol, somebody just hands you. Try it.
There is a paperwork process, with background checks, for one thing. And background checks have gotten tougher.
HUNTER BIDEN
You still sound like you were asleep during the 2020 election.
You say Hunter Biden never denied the laptop was his? I hope you remember exactly what you just said, because NOTHING you will hear about - during this 2024 election - will support your background details. I find your historical context to be "reversible error", and the reverse will happen and happen and happen inside each and every head that feels Hunter and Joe never denied the laptop was anything but a "Russian" plant. Biden said it was "Russian", during the 2nd/last debate with Trump in 2020.
I suppose nobody here calls me a "Russian" agent because I am anti-war?
Hunter's arrogance is the reason why he denied the laptop was his. Same reason he didn't care to pick it up . His arrogance is the reason why we still have more questions than answers about everything centering around his laptop.
The laptop is important because it is authenticated.
You keep obsessing over the Hunter Gun Crime issue, but nobody sees the gun charges as anything important - except for the amazing arrogance that politicians & their families feel they should be immune from laws they impose on everyone else. Plus the
amazingly high number of potential charges on non-gun crimes (the consequential issues) NOT BEING TRIED, is noteworthy.
The laptop was the "Russian" disinformation propaganda four years ago. The Bidens were concerned about much more than sex, guns, drugs. Those issues were decidedly NOT the issue.

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