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Tanypteryx
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Message 31 of 1173 (911590)
07-17-2023 4:13 PM
Reply to: Message 30 by Phat
07-17-2023 3:51 PM


Re: Out with Trump! In with Young Blood!
Phat in Message 30 writes:
Unless they plan on keeping him quiet. Anything he says wont make a whole lot of sense.
No one I know has any trouble understanding him now. You just don't like it because not one of the republican nutjobs you worship can match his intellect, wisdom, experience or accomplishments.
Not a single one of the leaders of the NATO members had any trouble understanding exactly what President Biden had to say, just last week.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!
What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
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If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --Percy
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nwr
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Message 32 of 1173 (911592)
07-17-2023 4:39 PM
Reply to: Message 28 by Phat
07-17-2023 11:05 AM


Re: Out with Trump! In with Young Blood!
Phat in Message 28 writes:
As I have said before, I'm behind Vivek Ramaswamy. The young man makes sense and nearly all of his views are ones I share.
He may make sense to you.
Looking at what you quoted in Message 24, it looks to me as if Ramaswamy is arguing in favor of motherhood and apple pie. That is to say, he is carefully avoiding arguing any real policy position, and is wording what he says in very vague terms so that he can appeal to people like Phat by not actually saying anything.
Unless that changes, I won't expect to be supporting him.

Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity

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Percy
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Message 33 of 1173 (911594)
07-17-2023 8:36 PM
Reply to: Message 30 by Phat
07-17-2023 3:51 PM


Re: Out with Trump! In with Young Blood!
What you originally said:
Phat in Message 28 writes:
If Ramaswamy made it to the general election, (a long-shot, admittedly) the Dems would not put Biden up against him. They would find another way.
Tanypteryx explained that nothing like that has ever happened in the history of the country, so you try again:
Phat in Message 30 writes:
What I meant was that if Vivek becomes a front runner before the primaries are over, the Dems may rethink going with Biden. Unless they plan on keeping him quiet.
Just like the Republican leadership could not deny Trump the nomination in 2016 after he'd won the primaries, the Democrat leadership cannot deny Biden the nomination if wins the primaries in 2024.
And can you name a time in the entire history of the country when an elected president has been denied his party's nomination? Of course you can't, but it happened just once, in 1856, to Franklin Pierce. Do you really believe that something that hasn't happened in 168 years and only once in the entire history of the country is going to happen next year? Go out on limbs much?
If Santayana were still with us he might say something like, "Those ignorant of history are doomed to spout nonsense."
Anything he says wont make a whole lot of sense.
"he says" => "I say"
--Percy

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Percy
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Message 34 of 1173 (911597)
07-18-2023 2:07 PM


A Third Trump Indictment Possible
Yesterday Trump announced that he had received another target letter from the special counsel investigating the events leading up to and on January 6th, which includes all efforts at influencing the official count of the electoral college votes by the joint Congress. This means the insurrection, the attempts to influence state officials involved in vote counting, and the attempts to create slates of fake electors. This indicates that further indictments are possible. See Target Letter to Trump Suggests He Could Face Indictment in Jan. 6 Inquiry: Live Updates - The New York Times.
--Percy

  
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Message 35 of 1173 (911613)
07-19-2023 1:08 PM


List of Trump's Legal Issues
This is list of indictments and investigations of Donald Trump and taken from The latest on Donald Trump’s indictments and other key investigations in today's Washington Post:
  1. Classified documents: Indicted for willful retention of national defense secrets, obstruction of justice and conspiracy.
  2. Business practices: Indicted for falsifying business records to disguise hush money payments to Stormy Daniels as legal expenses for business rather than campaign expenses.
  3. Attempt to steal 2020 presidential election. Under investigation for inciting a riot to hinder the counting of electoral votes, for influencing election officials at the state level to commit fraud, and for a conspiracy to create slates of state electors to cast doubt on the outcome of state elections and influence the counting of electoral votes.
  4. Georgia election interference: Under investigation for attempting to influence state officials to manipulate the vote count in Trump's favor.
  5. Business practices again: Sued by the State of New York for manipulating the valuations of properties in order to pay less taxes and receive cheaper loans and insurance policies.
That's a complete list so far, but it's worth mentioning that the Michigan attorney general has criminally charged 16 Republicans with creating a false slate of electors to challenge the outcome of the election in Michigan. The same may happen in Arizona. Republicans looking for election fraud need look no further than their own party.
--Percy

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Message 36 of 1173 (911616)
07-19-2023 3:25 PM


A Clarification on the Trump Rape of Jean Carroll
Donald Trump was found guilty at trial of sexually abusing and defaming Jean Carroll back in May and is now seeking a new trial, arguing that the $5 million verdict was excessive, and that the finding of "sexual abuse" could be something as simple of groping a woman's breasts and so was minor.
Now the judge in the case has released a filing clarifying that Trump had actually raped Carroll as rape is commonly understood. The New York state legal definition of rape is far narrower: forcible, unconsented-to penetration with one's penis. The judge explained that while the jury had not found that Trump had forcibly penetrated Carroll with his penis, they did find that he forcibly penetrated her with his finger, which is commonly understood as rape.
This clarification will likely make Trump's efforts at seeking a new trial more difficult. Jean Carroll has another case pending against Trump that charges him with defamation while still president.
See Judge clarifies: Yes, Trump was found to have raped E. Jean Carroll.
--Percy

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AZPaul3
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Message 37 of 1173 (911617)
07-19-2023 3:39 PM
Reply to: Message 36 by Percy
07-19-2023 3:25 PM


Re: A Clarification on the Trump Rape of Jean Carroll
Wow. Just in your last 2 posts, Percy, I'd have to say that Trump is in some serious legal doodoo.
Who cares. It's just Trump being Trump and pissing off the woke, liberal, deep state out to crucify a great national hero (him).
Will someone, anyone, please convict this sob of some felony requiring a jail term in accordance with law? Seems the only way to be rid of him. The voters aren't doing it.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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Percy
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Message 38 of 1173 (911621)
07-20-2023 7:43 AM
Reply to: Message 37 by AZPaul3
07-19-2023 3:39 PM


Re: A Clarification on the Trump Rape of Jean Carroll
Trump has a lot going on legally, but the threat runs in both directions. He alleges that all his legal problems are politically motivated and threatens America's trust in its system of justice. It will be hard to avoid eroding that trust because even if prosecutors raise the bar from "beyond a reasonable doubt" to "beyond any doubt", Trump supporters will still believe the charges were, uh, trumped up.
--Percy

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Message 39 of 1173 (911624)
07-20-2023 12:18 PM
Reply to: Message 38 by Percy
07-20-2023 7:43 AM


Re: A Clarification on the Trump Rape of Jean Carroll
Percy writes:
Trump has a lot going on legally, but the threat runs in both directions. He alleges that all his legal problems are politically motivated and threatens America's trust in its system of justice. It will be hard to avoid eroding that trust because even if prosecutors raise the bar from "beyond a reasonable doubt" to "beyond any doubt", Trump supporters will still believe the charges were, uh, trumped up.
God pun. I think that you can substitute Biden's name in your post for Trump and it would still hold true. It seems to me if those are the two candidates in 2024 you will have again two self interested narcissists who want to be President because they want to be President.

He has told you, O man, what is good ; And what does the LORD require of you But to do justice, to love kindness, And to walk humbly with your God.

Micah 6:8


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Diomedes
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Message 40 of 1173 (911625)
07-20-2023 1:01 PM
Reply to: Message 37 by AZPaul3
07-19-2023 3:39 PM


Re: A Clarification on the Trump Rape of Jean Carroll
Will someone, anyone, please convict this sob of some felony requiring a jail term in accordance with law? Seems the only way to be rid of him. The voters aren't doing it.
I have to concur here. It's concerning that from a felony perspective, nothing has yet stuck on Teflon Don. The issue is that if all of these legal battles end up as just devolving into civil tort territory, than it will only make him stronger and reinforce his witch hunt narrative.

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Message 41 of 1173 (911628)
07-20-2023 1:40 PM
Reply to: Message 39 by GDR
07-20-2023 12:18 PM


Re: A Clarification on the Trump Rape of Jean Carroll
Are you throwing out bothsiderism?

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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AZPaul3
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Message 42 of 1173 (911630)
07-20-2023 4:22 PM
Reply to: Message 40 by Diomedes
07-20-2023 1:01 PM


Re: A Clarification on the Trump Rape of Jean Carroll
One of my fond wonders is when Tzar Vladimir the Condemned is dead, maybe we can get one of those perestroika/glasnost moments when we get some leaks from the Russians on what secrets Trump gave them, what documents they acquired from him, the full extent of his treason against the USA. Then maybe we can hang him.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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GDR
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Message 43 of 1173 (911631)
07-20-2023 4:54 PM
Reply to: Message 41 by Theodoric
07-20-2023 1:40 PM


Re: A Clarification on the Trump Rape of Jean Carroll
Theodoric writes:
Are you throwing out bothsiderism?
Nope, just saying that there is no good choice and so you get to choose, (if they are both still running), which is the best of two bad choices.

He has told you, O man, what is good ; And what does the LORD require of you But to do justice, to love kindness, And to walk humbly with your God.

Micah 6:8


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Message 44 of 1173 (911632)
07-20-2023 5:00 PM
Reply to: Message 43 by GDR
07-20-2023 4:54 PM


Re: A Clarification on the Trump Rape of Jean Carroll
Biden is certainly nowhere near as bad as Trump. There’s simply no doubt about it. And that is not saying that Biden is all that great either. I don’t even see any reason to think that Biden as any more of a narcissist than you are.

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GDR
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Message 45 of 1173 (911633)
07-20-2023 5:35 PM
Reply to: Message 44 by PaulK
07-20-2023 5:00 PM


Re: A Clarification on the Trump Rape of Jean Carroll
PaulK writes:
Biden is certainly nowhere near as bad as Trump. There’s simply no doubt about it. And that is not saying that Biden is all that great either. I don’t even see any reason to think that Biden as any more of a narcissist than you are.
And that is your opinion. Others differ and you will all have to make up your own minds. As for me, I'm not running to be President of anything,and so whether I'm a narcissist or not doesn't much matter.

He has told you, O man, what is good ; And what does the LORD require of you But to do justice, to love kindness, And to walk humbly with your God.

Micah 6:8


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