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dwise1
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Message 1622 of 1639 (920728)
11-12-2024 7:38 PM
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11-12-2024 4:19 PM


Re: Kicking Coyote Out Of The White House
Republicans want to brand themselves as being against big government, but the reverse is the actual case.
They want to inject themselves into every aspect of our personal lives. That includes tracking every girl's menstrual cycle to detect all pregnancies in order to regulate them. That is not hyperbole.
Welcome to Trump 2.0. Y'all enjoy the fuck out of it.

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Phat
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Message 1623 of 1639 (920729)
11-13-2024 8:53 AM
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11-12-2024 4:19 PM


Re: Kicking Coyote Out Of The White House
zuca writes:
It'll become a corporate government that doesn't give a shit about you and only wants to maximize the profits of its top people. What a wondrous hole your country has dug itself with Trump.
As jar used to always say, "the people will get what they want". 4 years from now, there may be a mass reconsideration.
I wish that there was more political consensus and less extremism either way.

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Percy
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Message 1624 of 1639 (920730)
11-13-2024 9:43 AM
Reply to: Message 1623 by Phat
11-13-2024 8:53 AM


Re: Kicking Coyote Out Of The White House
Phat writes in Message 1623:
I wish that there was more political consensus and less extremism either way.
I never thought I'd see the day where displaying simple humanity was labeled extreme.
--Percy

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Taq
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Message 1625 of 1639 (920731)
11-13-2024 10:57 AM
Reply to: Message 1622 by dwise1
11-12-2024 7:38 PM


Re: Kicking Coyote Out Of The White House
dwise1 writes:
Republicans want to brand themselves as being against big government, but the reverse is the actual case.
I have certainly heard that more in the past, but I haven't heard it that much recently. You certainly don't hear it from Trump. Perhaps MAGA has started to become self aware?

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Phat
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Message 1626 of 1639 (920732)
11-13-2024 2:28 PM
Reply to: Message 1624 by Percy
11-13-2024 9:43 AM


Re: Kicking Coyote Out Of The White House
Its all about the money.
Im for tighter border control and also for less money spent on humanity if it involves us butting into a war. OTOH, we are replacing our old military hardware with newer stuff and helping others "defend democracy". The military-industrial complex also helps retirees stock portfolios...don't kid yourself that it is all in the name of humanity!

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AZPaul3
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Message 1627 of 1639 (920733)
11-13-2024 5:37 PM
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11-13-2024 8:53 AM


Re: Kicking Coyote Out Of The White House
I wish that there was more political consensus and less extremism either way.
A consensus has been reached. The Republican agenda took over the Federal government without bar. The bureaucracy that makes everything go is under their control from the White House. The Republican agenda controls the Senate with a solid majority and the People's Chamber, The House of Representatives, will soon yield a slim majority but a Republican majority. We have already seen the Republican agenda on display in SCOTUS rulings.
That's hard to miss. That's a long term consensus by this American society. We used to say Americans insisted on divided government among the branches. This is no longer the case. Republicans rule it all, now.
And as Percy has pointed out, the alternative presented by the liberals and humanists was hardly extremist.

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-Daniel Dennett
Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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Phat
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Message 1628 of 1639 (920734)
11-13-2024 5:48 PM
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11-13-2024 5:37 PM


Re: Kicking Coyote Out Of The White House
AZ $$$ writes:
the alternative presented by the liberals and humanists was hardly extremist.
Yes, but it was and is expensive. How many times must I point out that nobody understands money. You can't make it out of nothing. I predict tat Trump will do business with BRICs rather than compete against them....much to the chagrin of Europe.

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Percy
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Message 1629 of 1639 (920735)
11-13-2024 6:59 PM
Reply to: Message 1626 by Phat
11-13-2024 2:28 PM


Re: Kicking Coyote Out Of The White House
Phat writes in Message 1626:
Phat writes in Message 1623:
I wish that there was more political consensus and less extremism either way.
I never thought I'd see the day where displaying simple humanity was labeled extreme.
It's all about the money.
I don't understand your answer. I thought that by "less extremism either way" you meant both campaigns took extreme positions. If that *is* what you meant then I'm curious what positions you found extreme in the Harris campaign.
--Percy

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Taq
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Message 1630 of 1639 (920736)
11-13-2024 7:51 PM
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11-13-2024 5:48 PM


Re: Kicking Coyote Out Of The White House
Phat writes:
Yes, but it was and is expensive.
Nearly everything the government does is expensive.
I predict tat Trump will do business with BRICs rather than compete against them....much to the chagrin of Europe.
You do realize the C in BRICS is China, right? Trump isn't exactly a big fan of China who happens to make up a huge chunk of trade within BRICS. Do you really think Trump is going to remove or decrease tariffs on Chinese goods?
It will be interesting to see if Trump does away with Russian sanctions, though.

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AZPaul3
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Message 1631 of 1639 (920737)
11-13-2024 8:11 PM
Reply to: Message 1628 by Phat
11-13-2024 5:48 PM


Re: Kicking Coyote Out Of The White House
Yes, but it was and is expensive.
Expensive? Compared to what? Compared to the $$trillions that is given to the oligarchs and the warlords each year? There is plenty of $$$. It’s just all in the wrong places.
Trump will do business with BRICs ...
BRICs, like Trump, is a joke. If BRICs is to replace the dollar then it will not be for many generations and most certainly not in its present form.

“There’s simply no polite way to tell people they’ve dedicated their lives to an illusion,”
-Daniel Dennett
Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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Zucadragon
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Message 1632 of 1639 (920739)
11-14-2024 2:25 AM
Reply to: Message 1628 by Phat
11-13-2024 5:48 PM


Re: Kicking Coyote Out Of The White House
Yes, but it was and is expensive. How many times must I point out that nobody understands money. You can't make it out of nothing. I predict tat Trump will do business with BRICs rather than compete against them....much to the chagrin of Europe.
I don't think that's very likely. not only is Brics China, it's also Iran, and although Trump thinks Nato is a joke, he hates Iran, really dislikes China and the concept of something trying to replace the almighty dollar already had him threatening to throw 100% tariffs in their direction.
Which is a ridiculous reaction ofcourse, but it does show that Trump isn't warming up to Brics, not even to be a nuisance to NATO.

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Phat
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Message 1633 of 1639 (920740)
11-14-2024 2:34 AM
Reply to: Message 1631 by AZPaul3
11-13-2024 8:11 PM


Re: Kicking Coyote Out Of The White House
AZPaul3 writes:

Expensive? Compared to what? Compared to the $$trillions that is given to the oligarchs and the warlords each year?
Look at the data. The *entire net worth* of the Forbes 400 is around 5.4 trillion dollars.
MSN writes:
NEW YORK – October 1, 2024 – Forbes today unveils its 43rd annual Forbes 400 list, the definitive ranking of the 400 wealthiest Americans.
The richest U.S. citizens continue to soar. They are collectively worth a record $5.4 trillion, up nearly $1 trillion from last year...
Trump Has Proposed Nearly $8 Trillion in Tax Cuts. What Happens Now?
According to MSN, Trump's proposed tax cuts will cause the debt to skyrocket. I honestly think that he wants the debt to explode so that they can tank it and start a new debt-free monetary system.

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PaulK
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Message 1634 of 1639 (920741)
11-14-2024 4:00 AM
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11-14-2024 2:34 AM


Re: Kicking Coyote Out Of The White House
Tax cuts without spending cuts do that. That’s why the debt goes up when the Republicans are in charge.
I know that Trump is all for welshing on his debts but that’s no way to run a government. Aside from the economic devastation he can only have a debt-free government by balancing spending against revenues. How’s he going to manage that in the middle of a self-inflicted crisis?

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Zucadragon
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Message 1635 of 1639 (920742)
11-14-2024 5:50 AM
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11-14-2024 2:34 AM


Re: Kicking Coyote Out Of The White House
I don't think that's the goal, like last time, it's all about short term prosperity. I think he wants to rig the system, he's a narcissist, and narcissists love hearing that they're the greatest.
So by going insanely hard on tax cuts, he's looking to make it seem like the economy is improving because it'll have a short term boosting effect.
I don't think it's going to work, but then, once he's done as president and whoever comes next has to deal with the fallout of his choices, he can go "See, I was the best president you ever had"

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Phat
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Message 1636 of 1639 (920744)
11-14-2024 9:11 AM
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11-14-2024 4:00 AM


Re: Kicking Coyote Out Of The White House
Tax cuts without spending cuts do that. That’s why the debt goes up when the Republicans are in charge.
This is a bi-partisan issue. The debt goes up *whoever* is in charge. The lie that many of you tell yourselves is that we can grow our way out of debt. At 35 trillion plus, the math does *not* support your assumptions.
I know that Trump is all for welshing on his debts but that’s no way to run a government. Aside from the economic devastation he can only have a debt-free government by balancing spending against revenues. How’s he going to manage that in the middle of a self-inflicted crisis?
Neither side wants to balance spending against revenues. We have overspent for so long and the prospect of a balanced budget has only grown more difficult since Bill Clinton, the last president who balanced the yearly deficit.

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