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dwise1 Member Posts: 6076 Joined: Member Rating: 7.2 |
Republicans want to brand themselves as being against big government, but the reverse is the actual case.
They want to inject themselves into every aspect of our personal lives. That includes tracking every girl's menstrual cycle to detect all pregnancies in order to regulate them. That is not hyperbole. Welcome to Trump 2.0. Y'all enjoy the fuck out of it.
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Phat Member Posts: 18647 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.3 |
zuca writes: It'll become a corporate government that doesn't give a shit about you and only wants to maximize the profits of its top people. What a wondrous hole your country has dug itself with Trump. As jar used to always say, "the people will get what they want". 4 years from now, there may be a mass reconsideration. I wish that there was more political consensus and less extremism either way.
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Percy Member Posts: 22941 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 6.9
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Phat writes in Message 1623: I wish that there was more political consensus and less extremism either way. I never thought I'd see the day where displaying simple humanity was labeled extreme. --Percy
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Taq Member Posts: 10299 Joined: Member Rating: 7.2 |
dwise1 writes: Republicans want to brand themselves as being against big government, but the reverse is the actual case. I have certainly heard that more in the past, but I haven't heard it that much recently. You certainly don't hear it from Trump. Perhaps MAGA has started to become self aware?
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Phat Member Posts: 18647 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.3 |
Its all about the money.
Im for tighter border control and also for less money spent on humanity if it involves us butting into a war. OTOH, we are replacing our old military hardware with newer stuff and helping others "defend democracy". The military-industrial complex also helps retirees stock portfolios...don't kid yourself that it is all in the name of humanity!
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8654 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 6.7 |
I wish that there was more political consensus and less extremism either way. A consensus has been reached. The Republican agenda took over the Federal government without bar. The bureaucracy that makes everything go is under their control from the White House. The Republican agenda controls the Senate with a solid majority and the People's Chamber, The House of Representatives, will soon yield a slim majority but a Republican majority. We have already seen the Republican agenda on display in SCOTUS rulings. That's hard to miss. That's a long term consensus by this American society. We used to say Americans insisted on divided government among the branches. This is no longer the case. Republicans rule it all, now. And as Percy has pointed out, the alternative presented by the liberals and humanists was hardly extremist.“There’s simply no polite way to tell people they’ve dedicated their lives to an illusion,” -Daniel Dennett Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!
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Phat Member Posts: 18647 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.3 |
AZ $$$ writes: Yes, but it was and is expensive. How many times must I point out that nobody understands money. You can't make it out of nothing. I predict tat Trump will do business with BRICs rather than compete against them....much to the chagrin of Europe.
the alternative presented by the liberals and humanists was hardly extremist.
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Percy Member Posts: 22941 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 6.9 |
Phat writes in Message 1626: Phat writes in Message 1623: I wish that there was more political consensus and less extremism either way. I never thought I'd see the day where displaying simple humanity was labeled extreme. It's all about the money. I don't understand your answer. I thought that by "less extremism either way" you meant both campaigns took extreme positions. If that *is* what you meant then I'm curious what positions you found extreme in the Harris campaign. --Percy
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Taq Member Posts: 10299 Joined: Member Rating: 7.2 |
Phat writes: Yes, but it was and is expensive. Nearly everything the government does is expensive.
I predict tat Trump will do business with BRICs rather than compete against them....much to the chagrin of Europe. You do realize the C in BRICS is China, right? Trump isn't exactly a big fan of China who happens to make up a huge chunk of trade within BRICS. Do you really think Trump is going to remove or decrease tariffs on Chinese goods? It will be interesting to see if Trump does away with Russian sanctions, though.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8654 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 6.7 |
Yes, but it was and is expensive. Expensive? Compared to what? Compared to the $$trillions that is given to the oligarchs and the warlords each year? There is plenty of $$$. It’s just all in the wrong places.
Trump will do business with BRICs ... BRICs, like Trump, is a joke. If BRICs is to replace the dollar then it will not be for many generations and most certainly not in its present form.“There’s simply no polite way to tell people they’ve dedicated their lives to an illusion,” -Daniel Dennett Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!
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Zucadragon Member Posts: 142 From: Netherlands Joined: |
Yes, but it was and is expensive. How many times must I point out that nobody understands money. You can't make it out of nothing. I predict tat Trump will do business with BRICs rather than compete against them....much to the chagrin of Europe. I don't think that's very likely. not only is Brics China, it's also Iran, and although Trump thinks Nato is a joke, he hates Iran, really dislikes China and the concept of something trying to replace the almighty dollar already had him threatening to throw 100% tariffs in their direction. Which is a ridiculous reaction ofcourse, but it does show that Trump isn't warming up to Brics, not even to be a nuisance to NATO.
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Phat Member Posts: 18647 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.3 |
AZPaul3 writes: Look at the data. The *entire net worth* of the Forbes 400 is around 5.4 trillion dollars.
Expensive? Compared to what? Compared to the $$trillions that is given to the oligarchs and the warlords each year? MSN writes: NEW YORK – October 1, 2024 – Forbes today unveils its 43rd annual Forbes 400 list, the definitive ranking of the 400 wealthiest Americans. The richest U.S. citizens continue to soar. They are collectively worth a record $5.4 trillion, up nearly $1 trillion from last year... Trump Has Proposed Nearly $8 Trillion in Tax Cuts. What Happens Now?According to MSN, Trump's proposed tax cuts will cause the debt to skyrocket. I honestly think that he wants the debt to explode so that they can tank it and start a new debt-free monetary system.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17915 Joined: Member Rating: 6.7 |
Tax cuts without spending cuts do that. That’s why the debt goes up when the Republicans are in charge.
I know that Trump is all for welshing on his debts but that’s no way to run a government. Aside from the economic devastation he can only have a debt-free government by balancing spending against revenues. How’s he going to manage that in the middle of a self-inflicted crisis?
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Zucadragon Member Posts: 142 From: Netherlands Joined:
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I don't think that's the goal, like last time, it's all about short term prosperity. I think he wants to rig the system, he's a narcissist, and narcissists love hearing that they're the greatest.
So by going insanely hard on tax cuts, he's looking to make it seem like the economy is improving because it'll have a short term boosting effect. I don't think it's going to work, but then, once he's done as president and whoever comes next has to deal with the fallout of his choices, he can go "See, I was the best president you ever had"
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Phat Member Posts: 18647 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.3 |
Tax cuts without spending cuts do that. That’s why the debt goes up when the Republicans are in charge. This is a bi-partisan issue. The debt goes up *whoever* is in charge. The lie that many of you tell yourselves is that we can grow our way out of debt. At 35 trillion plus, the math does *not* support your assumptions.
I know that Trump is all for welshing on his debts but that’s no way to run a government. Aside from the economic devastation he can only have a debt-free government by balancing spending against revenues. How’s he going to manage that in the middle of a self-inflicted crisis? Neither side wants to balance spending against revenues. We have overspent for so long and the prospect of a balanced budget has only grown more difficult since Bill Clinton, the last president who balanced the yearly deficit.
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