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Topic: 2024 US Presidential Election
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marc9000
Member Posts: 1530 From: Ky U.S. Joined: 12-25-2009 Member Rating: 1.0
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Message 1577 of 1639 (920637)
11-04-2024 7:33 PM
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Reply to: Message 1574 by Taq
11-04-2024 12:25 PM
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Re: How Do You Steal an Election in the U.S.
Do you have any evidence of ballots being destroyed in the 2020 election? There is plenty of legitimate suspicion about what happened in the Covid circus that was the 2020 election. But as I've pointed out, much fraud that happened in that election came from mainstream media fake news.
That has nothing to do with miscounting votes, the type of fraud that was claimed by Trump et alia. Trump claimed a LOT of other types of fraud besides vote counting. He erroneously thought that most people, even Democrats, knew the basic meanings of words. He was wrong about that. But it can be difficult to tell when he says some unusual things, if he's only trying to bait the mainstream media. They always take the bait! And it often exposes who they are.
Then why do so many Republicans continue to claim that votes were miscounted in 2020 when there is zero evidence for those claims? It's as hard to understand as why Democrats are SO worried about it. Speaking of evidence, one thing the mainstream media's evening reports always do, is say (to just about anything Trump says) "Trump claims, without evidence....." even if it's a political opinion, or if it's a fact that he's seen, but not clearly proven to them. Example, "Trump claims, without evidence, that Harris never did work at McDonalds." When the mainstream media presents its Harris commercials, as is about 1/3 of their entire evening news shows, they give plenty of time to her speeches. She says she worked at McDonalds? Fine, they don't question it. McDonalds has employee records that go back a really long way. Trump's team checked them out, no records she ever worked there. Do they say, "Harris claimed, without evidence, that she worked at McDonalds? Of course not! They say "without evidence" when Trump claimed she did not! This is how they twist and distort, it's unbelievable. There might be evidence for her employment there by now. A McDonalds executive could have been informed that if he wants to see his family again, he WILL produce records that show she worked there. Whether that has happened yet or not, I don't know, don't care. It's long past time for the FCC to take steps to reign in ABC, CBS, and NBC. They are public trusts, in existence as long as the public has been watching television, about 75 years. NBC won't come any closer to having their license suspended for the giggler on snl than they did 40 or so years ago when they played 'crash test experts' when they rigged GM pickups with explosives to make it look like their gas tanks posed a greater danger than they did. GM did get them for a pretty big cash settlement, but it clearly didn't teach NBC anything. They won't pay a dime for this recent snl fraud. CNN, MSNBC, FOX, talk radio, and many other comparative newcomers in the news / opinion business are in another category, and it's fine whatever they want to do. But those three are out of control, and allowing them to run wild can easily create fraudulent elections in the U.S.
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Rahvin
Member Posts: 4067 Joined: 07-01-2005 Member Rating: 10.0
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Message 1578 of 1639 (920638)
11-04-2024 7:40 PM
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Reply to: Message 1577 by marc9000
11-04-2024 7:33 PM
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Re: How Do You Steal an Election in the U.S.
There is plenty of legitimate suspicion about what happened in the Covid circus that was the 2020 election. But as I've pointed out, much fraud that happened in that election came from mainstream media fake news.
Put up or shut up. What specific fraud do you believe occurred? You dont have to be comprehensive - start with your very best, most convincing piece of evidence. Just some real, actual, verifiable fact. Something that can move away from your vague assertions into a specific, testable claim. Can you do that? Giuliani couldn't in almost 60 separate court filings, and he failed at it *so badly* that he was disbarred. If you can support some allegation of specific fraud (hell, you can define "fraud" as it pertains to your claim) that had a reasonable chance of affecting the election's outcome, not only will I change my mind on the subject, but Trump himself might hire you to be his new lawyer. I'm dead certain that he's going to claim fraud this time around as well - he's already started making baseless, unsupported, vague rants about some sort of "cheating" in Pennsylvania.
-->“The human understanding when it has once adopted an opinion (either as being the received opinion or as being agreeable to itself) draws all things else to support and agree with it.” - Francis Bacon"There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs." - John Rogers “A world that can be explained even with bad reasons is a familiar world. But, on the other hand, in a universe suddenly divested of illusions and lights, man feels an alien, a stranger. His exile is without remedy since he is deprived of the memory of a lost home or the hope of a promised land. This divorce between man and his life, the actor and his setting, is properly the feeling of absurdity.” – Albert Camus "...the pious hope that by combining numerous little turds of variously tainted data, one can obtain a valuable result; but in fact, the outcome is merely a larger than average pile of shit." - Barash, David 1995... "Many that live deserve death. And some die that deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then be not too eager to deal out death in the name of justice, fearing for your own safety. Even the wise cannot see all ends." - Gandalf, J. R. R. Tolkien: The Lord Of the Rings "The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death."
1 Corinthians 15:26King James Version (KJV) -->Nihil supernum --> -->
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Percy
Member Posts: 22945 From: New Hampshire Joined: 12-23-2000 Member Rating: 6.9
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Message 1579 of 1639 (920639)
11-04-2024 7:59 PM
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Reply to: Message 1576 by marc9000
11-04-2024 6:55 PM
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Re: How Do You Steal an Election in the U.S.
Again, the question was how election fraud could be carried out on a scale large enough to sway a national election, either in the 2020 election or in the one coming up. —Percy
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Tanypteryx
Member Posts: 4597 From: Oregon, USA Joined: 08-27-2006 Member Rating: 9.7
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Message 1580 of 1639 (920640)
11-04-2024 11:05 PM
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Reply to: Message 1577 by marc9000
11-04-2024 7:33 PM
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Re: How Do You Steal an Election in the U.S.
Hope rather than fear!
What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that it has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --Percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq Why should anyone debate someone who doesn't know the subject? -- AZPaul3 If you are going to argue that evolution is false because it resembles your own beliefs then perhaps you should rethink your argument. - - Taq
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AZPaul3
Member Posts: 8654 From: Phoenix Joined: 11-06-2006 Member Rating: 6.7
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Message 1581 of 1639 (920641)
11-05-2024 1:25 AM
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Reply to: Message 1576 by marc9000
11-04-2024 6:55 PM
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Re: How Do You Steal an Election in the U.S.
By the way, I like the new 'approval dot' system you have, red dots as approval for Republican messages, very appropriate, but I think the green dots for the Democrat ones should be changed to blue. Typical fascist being totally disconnected from the social realities around him. These are not 'approval dots' of any type. They are decorations. Like everyone else on the internet Percy is caught up in this Christmas Creep thing. The bird is still strutting around without a cranberry in sight yet Percy is putting up his Christmas decorations. What'cha gonna do? The man's a nerd.
“There’s simply no polite way to tell people they’ve dedicated their lives to an illusion,” -Daniel Dennett Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!
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Percy
Member Posts: 22945 From: New Hampshire Joined: 12-23-2000 Member Rating: 6.9
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Message 1582 of 1639 (920642)
11-05-2024 8:08 AM
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Reply to: Message 1577 by marc9000
11-04-2024 7:33 PM
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Re: How Do You Steal an Election in the U.S.
marc9000 writes in Message 1577: Do you have any evidence of ballots being destroyed in the 2020 election? There is plenty of legitimate suspicion... Do you have any evidence? If you do have evidence then please describe this evidence and how it identifies how the fraud would be carried out. For instance, voting precincts keep a count of how many people voted and how many voter ballots were counted. The counts have to equal one another. If boxes containing a thousand fake ballots were delivered to the back door then there would be a thousand more ballots cast than there were voters. How could that go undetected at a single precinct, let alone the thousands of precincts across America where it would have had to take place in order to swing the election. And deceased people voting? The margin across the swing states was around 300,000. Are you really going to argue that 300,000 fraudulent votes were cast in the names of dead people and that it went almost completely undetected. The few that were identified were Republican, by the way. And non-citizens and illegal immigrants voting? They would have to show a form of ID that would indicate they weren't a citizen, so your claim would have to be that 300,000 non-citizens and illegal immigrants paid to have false IDs created that were all of such high quality that none were detected. And why would illegal immigrants vote anyway, since it would expose them to the risk of possible detection? About ancient job employment, as a kid in high school and college I worked at Carvel's, Stop & Shop, an anonymous car wash, Arbor Motors, N&N Transportation, Mercury Marine, and the Carnegie Mellon Athletic Department. I very much doubt that any record remains of my employment at any one of these. I know Carnegie Mellon doesn't have such a record, even though I have a degree from there (which they do have a record of), because I talked to them in 2020 when the athletic staff had nothing to do and so filled their time trying to build a history of the various sports. When I began applying for engineering jobs after college, those places of employment appeared nowhere on my resume. My resume only mentioned universities, courses, projects, awards and TA work. Wouldn't it be more surprising if a middle class kid like Harris had no jobs at all while in college? In grad school I had friends who worked in pizza parlors and bars (there were no McDonald's or Burger Kings nearby). --Percy
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Taq
Member Posts: 10299 Joined: 03-06-2009 Member Rating: 7.2
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Message 1583 of 1639 (920643)
11-05-2024 11:51 AM
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Reply to: Message 1577 by marc9000
11-04-2024 7:33 PM
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Re: How Do You Steal an Election in the U.S.
marc9000 writes: There is plenty of legitimate suspicion about what happened in the Covid circus that was the 2020 election. What makes it legitimate?
But as I've pointed out, much fraud that happened in that election came from mainstream media fake news. How would a media organization change the vote count? Are there journalists destroying ballots or something?
It's as hard to understand as why Democrats are SO worried about it. Why are Democrats worried about their votes not being counted? Gee, I don't know . . . because we care about democracy? What did we see in 2020? We saw a highly coordinated effort to have real votes cast out and replaced by appointed Republican electors, all on the back of fake claims of voter fraud. That's why we care.
Speaking of evidence, one thing the mainstream media's evening reports always do, is say (to just about anything Trump says) "Trump claims, without evidence....." even if it's a political opinion, or if it's a fact that he's seen, but not clearly proven to them. Then what is the evidence of voter fraud that the media is ignoring?
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Tangle
Member Posts: 9580 From: UK Joined: 10-07-2011 Member Rating: 6.6
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Message 1584 of 1639 (920644)
11-05-2024 12:02 PM
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Best of luck guys ... we're shitting ourselves this side of the pond.
Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine. "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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nwr
Member Posts: 6484 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: 08-08-2005 Member Rating: 8.7
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Message 1585 of 1639 (920645)
11-05-2024 12:52 PM
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Reply to: Message 1584 by Tangle
11-05-2024 12:02 PM
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I'm not sweating it. I expect Harris to win. I'll admit that I could be wrong. I woke this morning remembering that it is Nov. 5th. Today is America's version of Guy Fawkes day, our version of dealing with a traitor.
Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity
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AZPaul3
Member Posts: 8654 From: Phoenix Joined: 11-06-2006 Member Rating: 6.7
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Message 1586 of 1639 (920646)
11-06-2024 2:13 AM
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What?
Good God we're losing!
“There’s simply no polite way to tell people they’ve dedicated their lives to an illusion,” -Daniel Dennett Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!
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Tangle
Member Posts: 9580 From: UK Joined: 10-07-2011 Member Rating: 6.6
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Message 1587 of 1639 (920647)
11-06-2024 2:31 AM
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It's over, sorry for your loss. See you in four years, if there's anything left.
Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine. "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Percy
Member Posts: 22945 From: New Hampshire Joined: 12-23-2000 Member Rating: 6.9
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Message 1588 of 1639 (920648)
11-06-2024 6:11 AM
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Reply to: Message 1587 by Tangle
11-06-2024 2:31 AM
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Democracy in America:
--Percy
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kjsimons
Member Posts: 829 From: Orlando,FL Joined: 06-17-2003
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Message 1589 of 1639 (920651)
11-06-2024 8:01 AM
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Reply to: Message 1588 by Percy
11-06-2024 6:11 AM
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Hate and fear, the tool of the Republicans
Hate and fear sell better than reason and compassion, again! I had hopes that we could have as a country voted in Harris for president but we are left again with the Orange one.
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Zucadragon
Member Posts: 142 From: Netherlands Joined: 06-28-2006
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Message 1590 of 1639 (920655)
11-06-2024 12:09 PM
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The only kinda silver lining coming out of this is the fact that Republicans under Trump seem to basically have free reign now. Last time, a lot of Trumps shit was blocked, or people convinced him otherwise, but now, he can do whatever crazy thing he wants to do. I have a suspicion that it's not going to go well for the citizens of the US these next 4 years. But that might finally hit home with people that this two party system, left vs right, all that isn't working out, it just creates division.
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Rahvin
Member Posts: 4067 Joined: 07-01-2005 Member Rating: 10.0
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Getting rid of the 2-party system requires either Constitutional amendment or widespread state-by-state solutions, not all of which might be acceptable by the Supreme Court. Nobody actually likes the 2-party system other than the officials empowered by it. But you need the assistance of those very officials to implement change.
-->“The human understanding when it has once adopted an opinion (either as being the received opinion or as being agreeable to itself) draws all things else to support and agree with it.” - Francis Bacon"There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs." - John Rogers “A world that can be explained even with bad reasons is a familiar world. But, on the other hand, in a universe suddenly divested of illusions and lights, man feels an alien, a stranger. His exile is without remedy since he is deprived of the memory of a lost home or the hope of a promised land. This divorce between man and his life, the actor and his setting, is properly the feeling of absurdity.” – Albert Camus "...the pious hope that by combining numerous little turds of variously tainted data, one can obtain a valuable result; but in fact, the outcome is merely a larger than average pile of shit." - Barash, David 1995... "Many that live deserve death. And some die that deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then be not too eager to deal out death in the name of justice, fearing for your own safety. Even the wise cannot see all ends." - Gandalf, J. R. R. Tolkien: The Lord Of the Rings "The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death."
1 Corinthians 15:26King James Version (KJV) -->Nihil supernum --> -->
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