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Percy
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Message 1502 of 1550 (920166)
09-05-2024 3:34 PM
Reply to: Message 1500 by Phat
09-05-2024 1:37 PM


Re: Rational Discussion versus Emotional Reactions
Hey, you'e fine. You can't manage your diabetes properly, you've apparently forgotten what A1C is, you don't realize your glucose levels are still at dangerously elevated levels, your history is that when you do manage to meaningfully reduce your A1C levels it's only a short time before you revert again, you don't seem to realize how serious this all is even though you're already experiencing serious health problems, you're unable to meaningfully participate in discussion, you don't accept feedback about the problems with your posts, you repeat yourself over and over, you constantly make predictions based upon nothing, your personality has changed 180 degrees from caring and compassionate to the opposite, but hey, you're fine.
--Percy

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Phat
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Message 1503 of 1550 (920168)
09-05-2024 6:28 PM
Reply to: Message 1501 by Theodoric
09-05-2024 2:03 PM


Re: Rational Discussion versus Emotional Reactions
Thanks for assuming my ignorance, but I know more facts about diabetes than most of you, and I also knew that Percy knows how to convert the percentages. My A1C is 7.5 and dropping. (it was over 8.0 a month ago) Why do you always attack my intelligence? Perhaps you have doubts about your own.

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Phat
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Message 1504 of 1550 (920169)
09-05-2024 6:33 PM
Reply to: Message 1502 by Percy
09-05-2024 3:34 PM


Re: Rational Discussion versus Emotional Reactions
Percy writes:
You can't manage your diabetes properly, you've apparently forgotten what A1C is, you don't realize your glucose levels are still at dangerously elevated levels, your history is that when you do manage to meaningfully reduce your A1C levels it's only a short time before you revert again, you don't seem to realize how serious this all is even though you're already experiencing serious health problems, you're unable to meaningfully participate in discussion, you don't accept feedback about the problems with your posts, you repeat yourself over and over, you constantly make predictions based upon nothing, your personality has changed 180 degrees from caring and compassionate to the opposite, but hey, you're fine.
And here comes the forum owner who also assumes he knows more than I do. I am telling you the truth about my numbers and have the Libre 3 App on my smartphone and a sensor in my arm to verify it. Why do you people think that you know so much? That's part of the problem with the Democrats who are learned yet clueless about quite a lot of things. Perhaps you think I am unable to think simply because I don't arrive at the same conclusions that you do...but I often think the same thing regarding your conclusions about the idea of God.
This is a free country and freedom of thought and ideas has always been respected until recently. Part of that is because of your ideology and not just mine.
My Doctors are not as worried about me as you are but hey, you know everything, right?

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Percy
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Message 1505 of 1550 (920170)
09-05-2024 9:54 PM
Reply to: Message 1504 by Phat
09-05-2024 6:33 PM


Re: Rational Discussion versus Emotional Reactions
Would you please just stop.
—Percy

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Theodoric
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Message 1506 of 1550 (920171)
09-05-2024 10:13 PM
Reply to: Message 1503 by Phat
09-05-2024 6:28 PM


Re: Rational Discussion versus Emotional Reactions
You said A1C and the figures you gave were not A1C. Are you claiming now that those figures were A1C? Are you claiming 7.5% is good?

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up, why would you have to lie?


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Phat
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Message 1507 of 1550 (920172)
09-05-2024 11:55 PM
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09-05-2024 10:13 PM


Re: Rational Discussion versus Emotional Reactions
7.5 is too high. Damage starts over 8, and I was above 8 for a long time. I have worked quite hard to lower it by nearly 2 points in 4 months, but I am far from where I need to be, which is under 6. Hopefully, I can get it under 6 in two more months.

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Percy
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Message 1508 of 1550 (920173)
09-06-2024 8:51 AM
Reply to: Message 1507 by Phat
09-05-2024 11:55 PM


Re: Rational Discussion versus Emotional Reactions
This is not about the election. Maybe take this to Phat Unplugged. Reread the last message, Message 408. Nothing has changed.
--Percy

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Tanypteryx
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Message 1509 of 1550 (920174)
09-06-2024 12:52 PM


Trump addresses 'childcare', so presidential!
Wow! What a brilliant plan, make other counties pay TRILLION$ of dollars in tariffs and use it for childcare!
'Incoherent word salad': Trump stumbles when asked how he'd tackle child care
quote:
His response to a question Thursday raised eyebrows. “Trump sounded like the student who hadn’t studied for the test and was making up numbers,” said one conservative economist.
Verbatim from Trump:
"Well I would do that, and we're sitting down, you know I was, somebody, we had Senator Marco Rubio, and my daughter Ivanka was so impactful on that issue. It's a very important issue. But I think when you talk about the kind of numbers that I'm talking about, that because, look, child care is child care, it's, couldn't, you know, it's something you have to have it, in this country you have to have it. But when you talk about those numbers compared to the kind of numbers that I'm talking about by taxing foreign nations at levels that they're not used to but they'll get used to it very quickly and it's not going to stop them from doing business with us, but they'll have a very substantial tax when they send product into our country. Those numbers are so much bigger than any numbers that we're talking about, including child care, that it's going to take care, we're going to have, I look forward to having no deficits within a fairly short period of time, coupled with the reductions that I told you about on waste and fraud and all of the other things that are going on in our country, because I have to stay with child care, I want to stay with child care, but those numbers are small relative to the kind of economic numbers that I'm talking about, including growth, but growth also headed up by what the plan is that I just told you about. We're going to be taking in trillions of dollars, and as much as child care is talked about as being expensive, it's, relatively speaking, not very expensive compared to the kind of numbers we'll be taking in. We're going to make this into an incredible country that can afford to take care of its people, and then we'll worry about the rest of the world. Let's help other people, but we're going to take care of our country first. This is about America first. It's about Make America Great Again, we have to do it because right now we're a failing nation, so we'll take care of it."

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Message 1510 of 1550 (920176)
09-06-2024 2:50 PM
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09-06-2024 12:52 PM


Re: Trump addresses 'childcare', so presidential!
Yes, that was indeed word salad. He didn't actually answer the question about childcare. But he did talk about tariffs, and he still does not understand how tariffs work.

Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity

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Message 1511 of 1550 (920177)
09-06-2024 3:16 PM
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09-06-2024 2:50 PM


Re: Trump addresses 'childcare', so presidential!
nwr writes:
But he did talk about tariffs, and he still does not understand how tariffs work.
I am wondering if the Harris campaign is keeping its powder dry on this one, saving it for the debate. It would be absolutely delicious to hear Harris say, "Donald, do you know that Americans pay those tariffs?".

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Message 1512 of 1550 (920178)
09-06-2024 4:31 PM
Reply to: Message 1511 by Taq
09-06-2024 3:16 PM


Re: Trump addresses 'childcare', so presidential!
It would be pretty great if they did that. Right now, Trump is doing a great job of tanking himself, so why intervene? I remember when Trump was 100% certain he'd win against an opponent in the primaries and so he wouldn't go on debates and stuff, because just being quiet meant he'd win, easily.
But now, he has to, and he's complaining that Harris isn't answering questions, or not doing interviews but really, why would she at this point? The debate is coming up and the longer she stays silent, the more Trump hurts himself.
The debate is still a bit of an issue though, I do feel Harris is a pretty stiff person when it comes to answering questions, but she has a great opportunity to smash down Trump like he did with Biden before. The opportunity of a lifetime, so to speak.

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Percy
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Message 1513 of 1550 (920181)
09-06-2024 8:19 PM


Tucker Carlson, Friend to Nazi Sympathizers
Tucker Carlson recently had Darryl Cooper on his show. It's wide-ranging. The YouTube video is cued up to begin at the portion that discusses WWII, Winston Churchill, and the Nazis:
Two hours and nineteen minutes is far longer than anything I'm willing to watch, and it covers a lot of ground beyond just the Nazis, but Opinion | Tucker Carlson Welcomes a Hitler Apologist to His Show - The New York Times summarizes some of the views on Nazis held by Darryl Cooper and that Tucker Carlson was apparently fully on board with:
  • The chief villain of WWII was psychopath Winston Churchill.
  • Germany had already won the war in Europe. Churchill was responsible for continuing the war.
  • Churchill was responsible for the greatest scale of terrorist attacks via bombing in world history.
  • It was wrong to blame Neville Chamberlain for the failure to contain Hitler. The Neville Chamberlain example has been used by the west to start countless wars. He doesn't mention it, but I'm sure he believes the west is responsible for the Russian invasion of Ukraine.
  • Hitler tried to avoid war with western Europe.
  • Nazi death camp deaths were actually the fault of western powers who so beleaguered the Nazis that they didn't have the resources to care for the prisoners, even though they wanted to.
  • Paris under the Nazis was much preferable to the Paris of today that allowed a drag queen performance during the Olympic opening ceremonies.
Naturally Tucker Carlson is still a Trump supporter in 2024, and Trump is still looking to Carlson to help back his campaign. Carlson is touring with JD Vance on the campaign trail next month.
--Percy

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Message 1514 of 1550 (920182)
09-07-2024 2:25 AM
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09-06-2024 8:19 PM


Re: Tucker Carlson, Friend to Nazi Sympathizers
quote:
It was wrong to blame Neville Chamberlain for the failure to contain Hitler. The Neville Chamberlain example has been used by the west to start countless wars. He doesn't mention it, but I'm sure he believes the west is responsible for the Russian invasion of Ukraine.
This is - I think - the main reason for the interview. Trump wants to bring back appeasement and abandon Ukraine. So of course they have to depict appeasement as a good thing - when it is widely believed to be very bad. Indeed the main defence of Chamberlain’s policy is that it bought time to prepare for the inevitable war.
After Ukraine it is quite likely that Taiwan would be next - Russia’s mauling in the Ukraine may delay further conquests from that quarter which in any case is likely to target former Soviet countries that aren’t NATO members - next. Meanwhile the Chinese have been making increasingly aggressive noises towards Taiwan and the South China Sea. Even the Philippines may not be safe.
The good thing from my perspective is that this will not go down well with British Conservatives who revere Churchill.

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Percy
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Message 1515 of 1550 (920183)
09-07-2024 8:48 AM
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09-07-2024 2:25 AM


Re: Tucker Carlson, Friend to Nazi Sympathizers
PaulK writes in Message 1514:
The good thing from my perspective is that this will not go down well with British Conservatives who revere Churchill.
My views can probably be labeled over-the-top, but to me it seems that if ever there was a savior on Earth it was Churchill.
--Percy

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Message 1516 of 1550 (920184)
09-07-2024 1:56 PM
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09-07-2024 2:25 AM


Re: Tucker Carlson, Friend to Nazi Sympathizers
This is - I think - the main reason for the interview. Trump wants to bring back appeasement and abandon Ukraine. So of course they have to depict appeasement as a good thing - when it is widely believed to be very bad. Indeed the main defence of Chamberlain’s policy is that it bought time to prepare for the inevitable war.
Yes, deploying propaganda before taking action in order to prepare the public to accept your upcoming narrative.
A few examples from the entertainment biz:
  • Decades ago Turner Classics had an afternoon series in which they would show a movie about a historical event followed (and also preceded or even interrupted, as I seem to recall) by a discussion with a panel of historians. The one time I watched it was John Wayne's 1940 movie, Dark Command, supposedly about Quantrill's Raid on Lawrence, Kansas (21 August 1863). In the movie, the townspeople, both Northerners and Southerners, successfully banded together to defend against the raid, whereas in reality Lawrence was an abolitionist stronghold and Quantrill's raiders sought to kill every male, both men and boys, and largely succeeded (my own great great grandfather was killed and my great grandfather, then aged 2, just barely survived; my standard line: "So you see I nearly didn't make it here today.").
    The point is something one of the panel members said about this rewriting of history which really stuck with me (from memory): "Every historical movie is made for two time periods: when the story is set and when the movie is made." As per the discussion, when this movie was made WWII was just breaking out and, despite the "America First" movement and sentiment, it was obvious that we would eventually get sucked into it. Hence the movie's theme of Americans setting their differences aside (North vs South) to unite against a common external enemy.
    IOW, it served as something of a propaganda piece preparing us for the ensuing war. From Wikipedia's list of historical inaccuracies:
    quote:
  • Southern audiences were distanced from Cantrell's atrocities as Cantrill's force is portrayed as a false flag. Quantrill and his Raiders were in fact inducted into the Confederate Army before the Lawrence Massacre.
  • Part of intelligence work is to monitor levels of activity for signs that something is about to happen. For example, one OPSEC (Operations Security) GMT (General Military Training) depicted foreign agents piecing together clues about an upcoming major miliary operation, partially by the sudden and increased change in operation tempo (eg, sudden increase of message telephone traffic, all relevant workshops putting in lots of overtime, increased orders to the mess hall for box lunches, rushing delivery of parts, etc). Similarly, the Soviets could tell when the West Wing was dealing with a crisis by the sudden influx of late-night pizza deliveries. Or we simply see a sudden increase in encrypted message traffic; even though we don't know what they're saying, the source and destination of the messages is a strong clue.
    The timing of Tucker's "interviews" is a clue.
  • Changes in entertainment programs. In the novel, Red Storm Rising (1986, by Tom Clancy and Larry Bond (creator of the modern naval wargame, Harpoon, which Clancey had used in writing Hunt for Red October) ), our analysts monitoring Russian TV noticed an increase in patriotic fare like Alexander Nevsky (1938).
    That movie had been made during a time of strained relations with Nazi Germany (ie, before their non-aggression pact). Based on the 1240's Livonian campaign against the Rus' (pre-Russia Russians) in which Alexander Nevsky defended Novgorod ("New City") against an army of Teutonic knights (ending with the infamous Battle on the Ice, the most famous scene in the movie as the retreating Germans fell through the ice and drowned without a trace).
    The Stalinist purpose of the film was to use that historic example of Russia defending against and defeating German invasion to prepare and inspire the people to do the same in modern times. Its use in the novel was to prepare the Soviet public to support the planned "defense against Western invasion" by delivering a pre-emptive strike. The same reasoning of defending against a pre-emptive strike by delivering their own was used in Operation RYAN ("Nuclear Missile Attack", 1983) when they were going to deal with a NATO pre-emptive strike (which they mistakenly thought NATO's Able Archer 83 exercise was a cover for -- depicted in Deutschland 83).
    And we all saw Putin using the same kind of cover by depicting the Ukrainians as "Nazis" in order to justify and unify the country behind his invasion of Ukraine. My Russian history professor described the Russian psyche as suffering near massive paranoia over defending their borders against foreign invasion, so Putin's invoking the Nazi invasion of Mother Russia is very powerful imagery.
    Slight problem with Putin's invocation of a Nazi enemy now is that our present-day Nazis are on his and Trump's side. Which is a reason for his tool, Tucker Carlson of RT (formerly known as Russia Today), to recast the Nazis as the good guys. Kind of like that scene in 1984 where in mid-rally speechmaking Oceania's ally, Eastasia, abruptly became their enemy and history had to be rewritten:
    1984 Chapter 9:
    Oceania was at war with Eastasia: Oceania had always been at war with Eastasia. A large part of the political literature of five years was now completely obsolete.
Just a few thoughts delaying my making breakfast.

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A fundamentalist Christian once asked what I as an atheist believed in. My spontaneous and totally honest answer must have sounded corny, but it was true: "Truth, Justice, and the American Way." That's still my answer today.

GOP Values: Hypocrisy, Corruption, Greed, Lying, Cheating, Voter Suppression, Election Fraud, Conspiring with the Enemy

" ... how hard can that be, to say that Nazis are bad?!"
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"How are we still fighting Nazis today?"
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